Creating the World of “The Color Purple” With Production Designer Paul D. Austerberry & Set Decorator Larry Dias

For production designer Paul D. Austerberry and set decorator Larry Dias, The Color Purple was a challenge in grounding post-Antebellum South aesthetics with whimsical musical environments. Scouring every nook and cranny of Georgia, the town of Grantville provided seven shooting locations for director Blitz Bazawule’s retelling of the beloved story that follows Celie (Fantasia Barrino), a Black woman trying to find her identity while married to an abusive husband named Mister (Colman Domingo).

Austerberry and Dias carved a visual journey that parallels Celie’s character growth, where muted colors blossom into vibrant hues and patterns. Practical locations created a sense of realism, while interiors were constructed on soundstages for more control.  “All the builds were accomplished in very authentic locations for our period and story,” says Austerberry. Locations in Macon, Savannah, and Inman Park became all part of the production design story, while a swamp served as the exterior of the Juke Joint for a sultry performance by Shug Avery (Taraji P. Henson), an inspirational character for Celie.

Below, the pair talk about how the era affected their choices in design, color, and set decoration and how sticking to period accuracy environments even meant making changes to the script.

 

How did you and Blitz want to approach the period look that is also a musical?

Austerberry: Blitz was a musician before he was a filmmaker, so we talked a lot about the music while scouting. We decided that this wasn’t going to be a stock period film, but we were going to go through Celie’s imagination to create these other visual worlds. The important thing was to be careful and set the tone of the film, so it had to be really grounded first before we go off into these imaginary worlds.

(L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo

A large portion of Celie’s life takes place in Mister’s home. Can you talk about its design?

Austerberry: We didn’t want it to be an Antebellum-style house. We decided to have a little smaller-scale house that didn’t have the overtones of an antebellum. It was a tough hunt to find the house because we wanted it to be a certain scale, and it needed to have two floors. We found it in Carroll County, Georgia. It was abandoned for 20-odd years and owned by an African American engineer, which is interesting for the story. We added the second floor, a porch, and an addition on the back.

COLMAN DOMINGO as Mister in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

When Celie arrives at his house, it’s in a dilapidated state before she puts her touch on it.

Austerberry: It’s a decrypted mess with chickens and water all over. The kids are running rampant. As the story progresses, Blitz, Larry, and I talked about how her mother taught Celie early how to sew. The mother’s sewing basket is something Nettie gives her when Celie marries Mister. She uses it to start cleaning up the house and add all these little additions like curtains. She made it more of a home, and you have to look at different viewing to see all the details.

Caption: Director BLITZ BAZAWULE (standing) with (L-r clockwise) LOUIS GOSSETT JR., H.E.R., JON BATISTE, TARAJI P. HENSON, COLMAN DOMINGO, FANTASIA BARRINO, DANIELLE BROOKS and COREY HAWKINS on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Eli Ade

We see Celie speak out against Mister in the dining room, a set that has a lot of personality and color. How did you want to decorate that room?

Dias: That room develops as Celie’s character also develops. She started out in complete disarray, where everything was a mess. Then she sort of put her hands on it. She is a very giving person who gives without expecting anything back. She sort of develops that and makes it a home even though it was never her home. She was almost a guest in it. She put her stamp on it and brought this joy and life to it. We did it in subtle ways because they wouldn’t have the funds necessary to make big, bold changes. It’s done with plants and curtains and the linens on the table. Her sewing space is in there to make it feel a little more developed. She made it a home for the people in it, and that’s very symbolic of her character.

H.E.R. as Squeak in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

One of Celie’s defining moments is the bathroom scene with Shug. The set separates itself from the rest of Mister’s home. How did you approach it?

Austerberry: The rest of the house is in a cooler color palette of muted greens, blues, and beiges. The first time you go into that bathroom, you see this burgundy color and deep patterns. We thought this could have been a place where Shug comes back to recoup from the big city life, and she left a bunch of her trappings and has money to have this bathtub. The colors are part of Shug as she rides in this red car and wears this red dress. Red is important as we go along as it transfers to Celie towards the end.

(L-r) TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery and FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade.

Yes, you wouldn’t think a bathtub would be part of those less fortunate in the region.

Dias:  When it was scripted, they talked about the bathroom and steam coming out of the bathroom taps. Paul and I were looking at all this research in the rural South, and it did not involve indoor plumbing, so we had to go to Blitz and say that this is not really period-appropriate. We wanted to honor the period and the situation that people were living in as we didn’t want to make the movie version of it. At the same time, we are doing a movie with a  lot of fantasy sequences, but for the parts that are real in the film, we wanted them to feel really real. So it turned out to be a bathtub in the room which consequently is the only bathtub in the whole house. We approached it like it was a shrine to Shrug.

Caption: Director BLITZ BAZAWULE on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Eli Ade

Speaking of Shug’s red dress, what went into creating the Juke Joint set as she makes her entrance via boat?

Austerberry: Something important to me was this feeling that Shug is bringing in music, plugging the music into that building. The exterior is a practical location. We found this barge and created this amazing entrance, and cinematographer Dan Laustsen created this blue lighting behind her as she comes through the doors. When we went indoors, it’s a set build that’s only a little bit bigger than the exterior. When you’re doing a musical, you think of stylized numbers, but this movie had to be grounded in reality. It meant small, more realistic spaces to make the dances vibrant. Then Larry got some amazing decorations. It was a really fun set.

TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures
TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release.Photo by Ser Baffo

Did you have a guiding light for decorating the Juke Joint?

Dias: What I wanted to achieve was believability. I wanted it to feel like Harpo [portrayed by Corey Hawkins, owner of the Juke Joint and the son to Mister] did not have a surplus of money, and this was a dream he had. I wanted to fill it with things he could truly acquire, all completely mismatched, where a lot of fits could have been handmade or scavenged. None of it had any sort of nobility to it. Almost found objects. So that’s how I went about it, looking for mismatched things to place in there but doing it in a way that was stylized and had an ethereal quality to it.

Since we can see outside of the Juke Joint, how did you match the interior set with the location?

Austerberry: The blue lighting and the swamp as a backdrop created a proscenium line with the stage, so we did it practically with force perspective using smaller lights to match the exterior shots.

Dias: Paul was brilliant in creating a shortened set and we lit in the same way as the exterior location using barn lanterns. We found them in different sizes, all the way to the tiny wee ones. So we could place them out and trick your eye so it felt like the same space. Then we put this plastic down on the set floor that had this reflective quality to it. It made these ripples of water on the floor, which was a happy accident.

Celie reunites with Nettie (Ciara) under a gorgeous tree sequence. How did you find the location?

Austerberry: We were scouting south of Savanna, and I was looking for an amazing tree, and we found a grove of trees the Prime series The Underground Railroad was using and they had it surrounded with three shacks underneath it. We convinced the owner to allow us to bring in movers to move them to another part of the property, and then we restored the tree to its glorified beauty.

Caption: (L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO and TARAJI P. HENSON on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Lynsey Weatherspoon

We actually see it earlier on during the pat-a-cake scene with Celie and Nettie, right?

Austerberry: Yes, we looked at it like a family tree. It’s a place Celie remembers from her childhood, and she comes back to it.

(L-r) PHYLICIA PEARL MPASI as Young Celie and HALLE BAILEY as Young Nettie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade

Was the circle of tables around the tree the idea from the start?

Austerberry: The script was written as an Easter dinner in a field of lilies, which may have been a reference to the original film. It felt completely appropriate to do it in a big circle because the circle is symbolic as well. The circle of life, the journey of life.

A scene from Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

Part of the set decoration in the scene is the quilts Celie makes. What went into designing them?

Dias: One thing that is part of African culture is quilting. It was done out of necessity and made from children’s clothing. Women would take scraps of fabric and make quilts out of it as a functional piece for a domestic environment. We found a group of women from that time period, the Gee’s Bend, who made quilts in a freehand way with an imbalance of colors and weight to them. I wanted the quilts in the scene to be one piece of art.

It’s also nice there are several quilts instead of one giant one Celie could have made. Was that always the intention?

Dias: Blitz wanted to span the gap between fantasy and reality and have a series of quilts instead of one. We went out and handpicked what I felt had proper uniqueness that didn’t feel made by a church group or had an ordinary approach. I wanted the quilts to have an organic quality to them. Then, with the white palette at the beginning of the film and at the end, it fits perfectly well because white has a purity to it, and both Celie and her sister Nettie are pure of heart.

The Color Purple is in theaters now. 

For more on The Color Purple, check out these stories:

“The Color Purple” Editor Jon Poll on Finding the Rhythm of This Moving Adaptation

“The Color Purple” Costume Designer Francine Jamison-Tanchuck’s Stunning Creations

How “The Color Purple” DP Dan Laustsen Made Visual Music

Featured image: TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Lynsey Weatherspoon

 

 

 

“Maestro” Cinematographer Matthew Libatique Makes Music With the Camera

Spanning four decades of love, art, and loss, the tortured yet deeply moving marriage of American composer and conductor Leonard Bernstein (Bradley Cooper) and Costa Rican actress Felicia Montealegre Bernstein (Carey Mulligan), serves as the crux of Cooper’s sophomore directorial offering. Rather than a pure biopic, Maestro — the visually (and sonically) absorbing musical drama from Netflix — anchors its narrative verve on the couple’s tumultuous marriage and the sacrifices that art demands.  

His second collaboration with Cooper since 2018’s A Star Is Born, cinematographer Matthew Libatique (Black Swan, The Whale) especially appreciates the director’s keen sense of editorial. “He has the mind of an editor — he really understands structure and scenes that he needs and doesn’t need. I think it has to do with how much he has worked with Clint Eastwood and David O. Russell,” says Libatique, who was nominated for an Oscar for A Star Is Born.

 

With six years devoted to prep, Cooper’s commitment to authenticity included spending six years learning how to conduct so that they could execute a six-minute live sequence to recreate Bernstein’s 1973 show-stopping performance at the Ely Cathedral, where he led the London Symphony Orchestra in Mahler’s “Resurrection” Symphony No. 2. “He creates a lot of depth and with every choice, whether it’s the shot or his performance, it’s about creating as much depth as possible. Every layer is one step closer to authenticity,” Libatique reveals of Cooper’s style.

 

Shot on Kodak film with Panaflex Millennium XL cameras, the visual palette is a mixture of 1.33:1 in black and white (Eastman Double-X 5222) and color (Vision3 500T #5219 for interiors and Vision3 200T #5213 for exteriors) and 1.85:1 for the scenes that took place in 1989, which bookend the film with an aging Lenny reminiscing about his life years after Felicia’s passing. “We came up with the decision of framing with 1.33:1 after months of shooting tests that ended up with a 40-minute proof of concept. We tried every format – 35mm film, ARRI 65, RED, Alexa, a multitude of lenses, anamorphic, but we really fell in love with the 1.33:1,” Libatique recalls of the meticulous process.

Maestro – BTS – (L to R) Cinematographer Matthew Libatique and Director/Writer/Producer Bradley Cooper on the set of Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.
Maestro. Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

“We wanted to first transport the audience into this time period of Lenny’s life in 1.33:1 black and white. When the story graduates into the 1970s, to mark the time period, we switched to color. Then, after Felicia dies, the film expands to 1.85:1,” Libatique explains. In addition to delineating time periods, the different aspect ratios also have a way of setting the emotional tone: “The 1.33:1 frame, because of its lack of left and right, feels like an embrace of these two people.”

Maestro. (L to R) Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) and Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Moments after the movie begins, the conductor’s meteoric rise is captured efficiently in an exuberant “God POV” sequence that compresses space and time. After Lenny gets an early-morning call to step in for a guest conductor that night at the New York Philharmonic, he dashes out of bed, leaving clarinetist and lover David Oppenheim (Matt Bomer), and strides down the aisle that magically leads into Carnegie Hall, all of which was captured in one sweeping camera move. “Bradley wanted the camera very high, looking down at Lenny at the very beginning of the film, and the camera lower while he conducted. So, he had this idea of the God POV pulling Lenny into his future life. As he conducted, he becomes larger than life, so the camera was a lot lower,” Libatique shares.

Maestro. Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Since the set was already built, it took some work to figure out how to get that shot. “The main piece of gear that we used was a 45-foot telescopic crane. We started in the bedroom and then graduated to the hallway and eventually blended into Carnegie Hall. That was a tricky shot. We did maybe twelve takes of it, and around take four or five is the one that ended up in the film because Bradley saw how it really felt like the camera was pulling Lenny.” This is one of the two black-and-white shots in the film where color film stock was used due to light conditions, as Libatique reveals: “The shot that pulls you into Carnegie Hall was shot on color film [and then filtered to black and white] simply because it was much faster and more sensitive. There was no way to really bring up the light levels inside that space. But everything else was shot in regular black and white and not colorized.”

Maestro. (L to R) Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre and Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Even though Felicia remained the love of his life, Lenny continued to have affairs with multiple men throughout their marriage and raising three children. One of their many ferocious quarrels was shot entirely framed through the arch trellis in their garden. “The minute you put the camera in between two people being very emotional, it takes a little away from the intensity of that performance. Bradley liked being further away so that the actors could really emote when they could just really feel comfortable,” Libatique notes. Shooting that scene from afar “made me feel like I was trying to hear it more. With that obstruction, you can’t see everything, but you’re trying to hear it.”

Maestro. Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Amidst the soaring music and the crackling, overlapping banter, one of the emotionally crushing scenes is the tearful, unspoken farewell between Lenny and David as they walk alongside each other on a Manhattan sidewalk, years after both men have married women and had children. The camera stays on both men for a few beats, their faces telegraphing every sliver of emotion. “It was a very subtle way of conveying the dynamic between them, the kind of sacrifices they had to make because of the time period that they lived in,” Libatique remarks. The scene was originally shot with dialogue, but Cooper and Bomer’s understated yet moving performances amplified the pain in the silence. “We were able to veil those emotions and anxieties with that silence, which then culminates with Lenny suddenly stopping and breaking down. The scene originally had dialogue in it, we did one take silent, and that’s what you see in the film.”

Maestro. (L to R) Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) and Matt Bomer as David Oppenheim in Maestro. Cr. Courtesy of Netflix © 2023.

When it came time to shoot the pinnacle of the film from the music perspective, they had the majestic Ely Cathedral and the London Philharmonic Orchestra for three days — one for rehearsal and sound check, and two for filming. “The acoustics were phenomenal in that space. We were all in there prepping, and when the philharmonic started playing, everyone literally stopped whatever they were doing. I sat in the front row, first pew, just listening. It was the most moving thing,” Libatique recalls of the singular experience. Cooper captured the essence of Bernstein’s physicality and zeal in the cathartic and transcendent sequence in one live six-minute take on the second day of shooting. “It was basically captured in one shot. It cuts out of that shot to show some of the orchestra, but then it cuts back to that single shot [of Lenny conducting]. The telescopic crane goes over the musicians and up to Lenny and then back to the musicians again. That was a magical take, and that’s what’s in the film.”

Maestro. (L to R) Soloists Isabel Leonard and Rosa Feola with Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Maestro is in theaters and streaming on Netflix.

For more on Maestro, check out these stories:

“Maestro” Editor Michelle Tesoro on Orchestrating the Epic Bernstein Love Story

The Official Trailer for Bradley Cooper’s “Maestro” Hits All the Right Notes

Featured image: Maestro – BTS – (L to R) Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer), Cinematographer Matthew Libatique and Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre on the set of Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

 

“The Color Purple” Editor Jon Poll on Finding the Rhythm of This Moving Adaptation

Editor Jon Poll knows comedy structure forward and backward, having worked on such classics as Meet the Parents, The 40-Year-Old Virgin, and Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me. So, how did he wind up editing The Color Purple? The deeply dramatic musical, directed by Ghanian-born rapper-turned-Beyonce collaborator (Black is King) turned filmmaker Blitz Bazawule, features Fantasia Barrino, Taraji P. Henson, Colman Domingo, and Danielle Brooks as members of a resilient Georgia family bound and determined to persevere despite trauma, insecurity and generational dysfunction. The film presented Poll with an unprecedented level of engagement. “Working on this movie changed me, my relationship to trauma, to how I see the world,” Poll says. “To be frank, I never thought I’d be working on a movie that had the word God in it so many times or that I’d be crying at so many things.”

Poll, speaking from Los Angeles, talks about collaborating with Bazawule, absorbing studio notes, and understanding the transformative power of a good dinner scene. 

 

As someone who’s specialized mainly in comedies, including last year’s Father of the Bride reboot, how do you see the differences between cutting for punchlines versus editing for dramatic effect?

To me, Meet the Parents or Meet the Fockers are basically dramas that have jokes in them. Honestly, for me, the only movies that sometimes leave me wanting more are dramas that don’t have any humor in them. With The Color Purple, Blitz and I weren’t chasing comedy, but we were also not running away from it.

(L-r) DANIELLE BROOKS as Sophia and COREY HAWKINS as Harpo in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

Comic relief comes through in the performance by Danielle Brooks as flamboyant Sofia. Unlike most of your earlier work, you also had to integrate song sequences with dialogue. How did you balance those elements in the edit?

I was proud of the way we transitioned between music and dialogue. e just tried to stay out of the way audience’s way. We did not play the score really loud. We were not pushing for emotion. If both felt that we get the emotion, we’ve earned it, but let’s just hang back and try to be subtle. Blitz’s goal was to make a movie that felt grounded, elegant, personal, and intimate.

 

How did you get on Blitz’s radar in the first place?

The producers wanted a partner for this guy who hasn’t made a studio movie. Luckily, [Warner Bros President of Production] Courteney Valenti at the studio was happy with Father of the Bride, and I knew [studio post-production executive] Paul LaMori, who I knew from working with him on [1999 comedy] Mystery, Alaska. They said why don’t you get on the phone with Blitz. So I did, and I tried to talk him out of it.

Really?

I said I’m not your guy. So he pitched to me. And I told him about how my favorite musical is Walk the Line, where they’re telling the story up on stage. I also loved Summer of Soul and Jimmy Cliff’s The Harder They Fall, because it took me to this world where the music was part of the fabric of the movie. There’s a relationship between those films and what became The Color Purple. Three days later, I had the job

Caption: (L-r) TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery, FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and DANIELLE BROOKS as Sophia in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

Once you started editing dailies, what was Blitz like to collaborate with?

His work ethic was astounding. If he had a night shoot, Blitz would then come into the cutting room in the morning. If he had a day call that ended at sunset, he’d come into the cutting room. There wasn’t a week that he didn’t come in at least once. And he was very specific when he gave me notes, but sometimes I’d surprise him, and he’d be like: “You cut out that oner? Come on, Jon, no.”

A “oner” being a single continuous shot?

Yeah. There are no cuts, and you stay in that one shot for a minute or two. In one scene, we see young Celie moving into Mister’s house. Blitz had a beautiful oner following Celie around cleaning, and I turned it into five jump cuts. He said, “You can’t do that.” Two or three weeks later, he said, “Remember that thing you showed me? Let’s live with it a little.” Months later, we’re watching that scene, and he’s laughing. “It’s funny that I told you to take out the jump cuts because clearly, they’re working.” For any collaborator, it’s wonderful when someone gives you the leeway to try things.

 

Did you stay in L.A., or were you editing on location in George during principal photography?

I was in Georgia for seven months. I told Blitz I’d post whatever [rough cuts] I had at the end of every week, and he said, “I don’t want to work that way. I want to come in so we can talk about it together, and then we’ll come up with a plan.”

What did you have in mind when you designed the overall edit?

The most important thing was to get the director’s cut ready as soon as possible so we could screen it for an audience and address any issues before showing anything to the studio.

(L-r) TARAJI P. HENSON and FANTASIA BARRINO with Director BLITZ BAZAWULE on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade

And then came the notes from the producers and studio executives.

We never got a note that we didn’t try and believe me, there were lots of notes. “What if you took out this song?” But every time we tried to take out a song, we’d screen it, and everybody would agree: “Nah, not as good.”

Can you give an example?

“The Working Song.” We put that song back in because even though Harpo [Corey Hawkins] is not the focus, we still need to know where he’s coming from.

 

The Color Purple‘s dinner scene feels like a real turning point, gathering all the main characters around one table. What do you enjoy about cutting a sequence where everybody’s confined to a single room and forced to deal with each other?

I love dinner table scenes. Meet the Parents, Meet the Fokkers, and Father of the Bride all had family scenes. It’s fascinating to me because the whole family’s stuck there, and you get to get all the little reactions.

Caption: Director BLITZ BAZAWULE (standing) with (L-r clockwise) LOUIS GOSSETT JR., H.E.R., JON BATISTE, TARAJI P. HENSON, COLMAN DOMINGO, FANTASIA BARRINO, DANIELLE BROOKS and COREY HAWKINS on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Eli Ade

With The Color Purple, those tension and release dynamics play out in such an interesting way.

That was a big challenge for me because all eight characters have to be kept alive the whole time. I worked on that dinner more than any other scene to the point where it almost got funny: “I want to do another pass. I need to get Squeak out the door. We see Harpo get laughs with just a shrug. These are tiny, minor things, but we ended up with a scene where you knew what was going on with every single character.

Celie’s journey is rooted in trauma, and she suffers shocking abuse in the first half hour. How did you handle the violence?

The first part of the movie is pretty tough. Horrible things are being done yet we can’t shy away from it. You don’t want to turn the audience off, but you have to deliver the violence and show what it is. I personally still jump when Mister slaps Celie, and she falls to the ground after he discovers that she’s been reading Nettie’s letter.

COLMAN DOMINGO as Mister in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo.

You relocated to Georgia, immersed yourself in these performances, and edited an intense saga that has proven itself over the decades in several iterations. After investing all this time and energy in The Color Purple, how did you feel when you came out on the other end of production?

I just have a lot of gratitude to the people who let this guy who cuts comedies come in and work on something so meaningful and heartfelt. Oprah Winfrey said this story is about underdogs, and I think everybody understands what it means to be the underdog.

 The Color Purple is in theaters now.

 

 For more on The Color Purple, check out these stories:

“The Color Purple” Costume Designer Francine Jamison-Tanchuck’s Stunning Creations

How “The Color Purple” DP Dan Laustsen Made Visual Music

 

 

 

 

Featured image: (L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo 

 

 

 

 

 

“The Boys in the Boat” Production Designer Kalina Ivanov on Jumping On Board of George Clooney’s Stirring new Drama

For The Boys in the Boat, directed by George Clooney, production designer Kalina Ivanov had to make England of 2022 look like the Pacific Northwest of the United States in the midst of the Depression. No easy feat, but one the talented filmmaker was more than prepared to tackle. Ivanov, who worked with Clooney on The Tender Bar and currently helped create the iconic Gotham for the upcoming The Batman spinoff series The Penguin, is at home in everything from exacting period pieces to the sprawling, gritty underworld of DC’s most infamous megalopolis. 

In an interview with The Credits, she talked about the difference between British and American university architecture, re-creating the airplane hanger-turned-boat-building facility that was used by the University of Washington rowing team that won the 1936 Olympic gold medal, and her “joyful moment” from a change she suggested to Clooney that took her back to her roots in theater.

I don’t think children say, “When I grow up, I want to be a production designer.” So I’m always interested in the origin story.

My mission in life is to get children to say, “I want to be a production designer!” I’m a co-founder of an organization called the Production Designers Collective, together with Inbal Weinberg. We have gathered 1,300 production designers from across the globe. One thing that is common amongst all of us is that we all randomly ended up being production designers. We come from very different backgrounds, whether it’s architecture or in my particular case, it’s theater.

The theater is a rich world from which quite a few production designers are drawn. How was that experience for you?

I grew up in Bulgaria, which, to begin with, has a very tiny film industry, and at the time, because it was a communist country, it was very controlled by the government. So, needless to say, I had very little chance of becoming any kind of an artist in Bulgaria because my family was blacklisted.

Oh, wow. 

In 1979, my family and I escaped from Bulgaria. We landed in New York, and the very first thing I said was, “I want to be a theater set designer.” And my parents had a heart attack. But they were very encouraging. To their credit, they never discouraged me. I ended up by pure luck at NYU’s theater design program, which is incredibly good.  It gave me the foundation for understanding design and the discipline to produce on time, which is half the game, actually.

What was the theater world like for you?

It seemed bigger from Bulgaria, but theater ended up being such a small world, and not a lot of women set designers. I was working as an assistant on a Broadway show, and I met a woman who said, “You draw really fast. You should consider storyboarding.” And so, I bought the book of Raiders of the Lost Ark, which had the storyboards in it, and self-taught myself. Once I got interested in film, I went as a graduate student to NYU’s film program. That was very valuable. And then, I literally harassed every friend I ever had, like to get me a job as a storyboard artist for about a year, and finally landed one.

And were you off to the races then?

From there, it just snowballed, and then I ended up doing Silence of the Lambs because I met Jonathan Demme in film school. I think storyboarding is a fantastic way of segueing into production design because it teaches you about the camera. That’s something that is very important for a good design, to understand what the camera is going to see, and how it operates, how the spaces play to a camera, and the proportion of the human figure.

(l-r.) Bruce Herbelin-Earle stars as Shorty Hunt, Callum Turner as Joe Rantz and Jack Mulhern as Don Hume in director George Clooney’s THE BOYS IN THE BOAT. An Amazon MGM Studios film. Photo credit: Laurie Sparham. © 2023 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc. All Rights Reserved.

It’s difficult to understand the contribution of production design because if you do it really well, people are not aware of it. But if you make a mistake, particularly in a period film like this, everybody will notice it.

Yes, I call production designers “masters of invisibility” because that is what we are. If we do our job right, you should not know that we’re there. I don’t think anyone recognizes the fact that most of what you see in The Boys in the Boat are built sets on stage or on location. The entire shell house [where the team’s boats are built] is a recreation of the real one, and it’s a gigantic building. It’s 110 feet by 88 by 36 tall. It took us three months to build from scratch.  The unique thing is that even though it’s called a shell house, it originally was an airplane hangar. That immediately informed us about what kind of floor it would be, what kind of structure it would be, etcetera.

(l-r.) Bruce Herbelin-Earle stars as Shorty Hunt, Callum Turner as Joe Rantz, and Wil Coban as Jim McMillan in director George Clooney’s THE BOYS IN THE BOAT. An Amazon MGM Studios film. Photo credit: Laurie Sparham © 2023 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc. All Rights Reserved.

How did you go about building it?

I contacted the university, of course. And they were immensely helpful. They were very enthusiastic about the film. I couldn’t go to Seattle because of COVID, which was a really missed opportunity. So, I had to do everything from photos, and from oral history. Because they were in the process of restoring the shell house, they have more contemporary restoration drawings, which were immensely helpful.  Then my next task was, okay, this building is so big; how much can I actually make it a little bit smaller but still maintain its proportions and fit the boats? And the most interesting thing is that George Pocock’s workshop was really on the mezzanine level, which is counterintuitive because he had to take them out of the window and down a floor.  And a boat is 62, about 62 feet long. So clearly, I couldn’t reduce the volume too much because you have to fit a boat in there, the length of it. I was able to reduce it by about ten percent. Not to mention that we also did all the hotel rooms and all the dorm rooms. There’s so much scenery. The Seattle street is a back lot. The restaurants, the train, all of that is set. So I’m delighted that people are not guessing that. It is so beautifully transferred to the screen, and the blend between the production design and VFX is so perfect that both of us did our jobs very, very well because you don’t know where one starts and when one stops.

 

How did you turn England into the American Pacific Northwest?

The very first thing I wanted to teach all my London colleagues, the locations, and the art department is that American college campuses are very eclectic in their style of buildings. Where in England, it’s very much as if it was built during the Tudor era, it’s Tudor. If it’s during restoration, it’s restoration. If it’s Beaux-Arts, it’s Beaux-Arts. When you look at Seattle’s University of Washington campus, and you see, here’s the Beaux-Arts building, here’s the Tudor style building, here’s a colonial style building, they’re all very eclectic. So, for that purpose, we combined four different locations, or entities basically, to create one campus. And it worked beautifully because it gave you that scope of what an American campus has and the eclectic and less formal nature of American architecture.

Callum Turner stars as Joe Rantz and Hadley Robinson as Joyce Simdars in director George Clooney’s THE BOYS IN THE BOAT. An Amazon MGM Studios film. Photo credit: Laurie Sparham © 2023 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc. All Rights Reserved.

What details were really important to get right?

It was the very first image. We start with Hooverville. That was critical. In research, we learned that Seattle’s Hooverville, at one point, had 8,000 people. And it was massive. It had its own post office. We built it on what we called the back lot, actually a field. The organic nature of it is something that sometimes is harder than straight architecture. We basically looked at all the textures. We collected wallpapers, tin, and any kind of material. You have to start thinking about the characters — how would they build this, and what would they use? Joe, of course, lives in a car, so right off the bat, that was something that had to be very authentic. I did my own black-and-white sketch first to show it to George [Clooney]. And then we went to a color concept and then we put in all the buildings around, et cetera, for VFX to be able to recreate it.

Director George Clooney on the set of his film THE BOYS IN THE BOAT. An Amazon MGM Studios film. Photo credit: Laurie Sparham © 2023 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc. All Rights Reserved.

What was your first conversation with George Clooney about when you began to talk about the film?

The very first thing he stressed is authenticity. He said, “I want to be able to smell and feel the depression. It’s so important to see these boys as underdogs, as boys who had holes in their sweaters and holes in their shoes.” So, we aged everything, and we worked very hard on getting that kind of sense of dust and dirt and neglect that actually doesn’t exist in England in more pristine quarters or even contemporary life. One of the things that I think that both George and I share is that both of us approach things in a rather more subtle and simple way. We go for more simplicity rather than ornamentation. So, we looked for locations with very straight lines and very simple architecture.

(l-r.) Thomas Elms stars as Chuck Day, Tom Varey as Johnny White, Bruce Herbelin-Earle as Shorty Hunt, Callum Turner as Joe Rantz, Luke Slattery as Bobby Moch, and Wil Coban as Jim McMillin in director George Clooney’s THE BOYS IN THE BOAT. An Amazon MGM Studios film Photo credit: Laurie Sparham © 2023 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc. All Rights Reserved.
(l-r.) Luke Slattery stars as Bobby Moch, Jack Mulhern as Don Hume, Wil Coban as Jim McMillin, Tom Varey as Johnny White, Callum Turner as Joe Rantz, Sam Strike as Roger Morris and Thomas Elms as Chuck Day in director George Clooney’s THE BOYS IN THE BOAT. An Amazon MGM Studios film. Photo credit: Laurie Sparham© 2023 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc. All Rights Reserved.

Is there one particular detail that you’re especially proud of in the film?

One particular thing that I take pride and very personal joy in was when the script called for the boys to be cleaning in the school. And the script called for a music room. And I went there and thought, “Oh boy, we’re going just to see a piano and some black curtains, and what is happening?” I just thought visually it wasn’t aspirational enough for them. It wasn’t like they wanted to be part of this university and wanted to have a better life. So, I thought, what better than to do a Shakespeare play, and what better than to do than A Midsummer Night’s Dream? A performance of that instead of a music recital. And so I pitched that idea to George and he like, “This sounds great, go for it.” When he saw the set, he was giddy. He said, “This is so beautiful.” And the next day, he came in with a 1930s edition of Shakespeare’s plays and gave it to the actor, put him on the stage, and said, “Now read from this.” And that, to me, was such a joyful moment because we both improvised and informed the characters and gave them something to do.

You’ve returned to your roots as a theater set designer.

Yes!  I told George, “You can never take the theater kid out of me.”

The Boys in the Boat is in theaters now.

Featured image: (l-r.) Sam Strike stars as Roger Morris, Thomas Elms as Chuck Day, Joel Phillimore as Gordy Adam, Tom Varey as Johnny White, Wil Coban as Jim McMillin, Bruce Herbelin-Earle as Shorty Hunt, Callum Turner as Joe Rantz, Jack Mulhern as Don Hume and Luke Slattery as Bobby Moch in director George Clooney’s THE BOYS IN THE BOAT. An Amazon MGM Studios film. Photo credit: Laurie Sparham © 2023 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Pictures Inc. All Rights Reserved.

 

 

Best of 2023: Hit Makers Mark Ronson and Andrew Wyatt on Adding a Pop Punch to “Barbie” Soundtrack

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

Before Barbie, before producing Bruno Mars and Adele, before winning an Oscar for co-writing Lady Gaga’s duet “Shallow” for A Star Is Born, Mark Ronson made a living in New York City as a deejay pulling from his encyclopedic knowledge of musical genres from many eras. Ronson’s talents earned wide acclaim when he co-produced Amy Winehouse’s breakthrough album “Back to Black” in 2006. Since then, Ronson and his frequent collaborator Andrew Wyatt have gained a reputation as studio-savvy hitmakers in collaboration with a wide range of high-wattage talent.

So it made perfect sense when filmmaker Greta Gerwig enlisted Ronson and “Shallow” co-writer Wyatt to oversee the music for Barbie and its companion “Barbie: The Soundtrack” album. Together, they produced the movie’s effervescent tunes featuring pop stars Charli XCX, Nicki Minaj, Haim, Sam Smith, Pink Pantheress, Khalid, and Billie Eilish. The result was 11 Grammy Award nominations.

Speaking from Los Angeles, Ronson and Wyatt talked about their love of 80s-era synths and the experience of being in the recording studio with Ryan Gosling as he belted out Barbie‘s big power ballad “I’m Just Ken.”

 

You guys usually write and produce songs for pop stars. What’s the difference between collaborating on an album with a singer versus the way you created music for the Barbie movie?

Mark: A lot of time we work with brilliant artists who come in with an idea: “I just broke up with my boyfriend, and I need to get this emotion out” or “I just came up with this funny line,” someone else delivers the inspiration to you. But sometimes you show up at the studio thinking, “What can I possibly say today that I haven’t said before?” When you get a script like Barbie, it’s so emotive; your brain goes to places it never would have gone, and that’s a real gift for a songwriter. As soon as Andrew and I read the script and had our initial conversations with Greta, music started to come out of us.

Greta Gerwig loved her Barbie dolls during the eighties. Did the music from that time period influence your sound?

Mark: Maybe in some ways. With the Cold War still happening, Reagan and so forth, the eighties were kind of the heyday of American triumphalism, so we naturally gravitated to that.

And that eighties synth feel seems to come through in bouncy numbers like “Hey Blondie” and “Speed Drive.”

Mark: 80s synths have never gone away; they just keep evolving in contemporary pop. The eighties mean so many things from Duran Duran to Herbie Hancock’s “Rocket,” but it also means some very rich scores from [film composers] Vangelis and Maurice Jaubert and David Grusin, who were like: “We’ve been using orchestras for 70 years; let’s try something else and see if we can get the same emotive-ness with these other instruments.” Greta loved the emotional wallop and the romance of the orchestra, but she also loved the more synth-y stuff. Andrew and I were just trying to play in this place where we could weave these things together.

 

Given your collective track record as producers and songwriters, was it an easy sell to get major stars like Dua Lipa, Nicki Minaj, and Billie Eilish on board with Barbie?

Mark: Greta was the easy sell. Especially with younger artists, they’ve grown up with Lady Bird and Little Women so everybody was excited to come to the table because of Greta.

Creatively, what came first?

Mark: Our first marching orders were to write a dance number because they were going to film it soon and were going into choreography rehearsals. With Dance The Night, Andrew and I have both worked with Dua [Lipa], and it seemed obvious: Who else is going to do the killer dance sequence like her? She put her whole boot through the genre of modern disco, so that was really exciting.

 

It’s incredibly catchy. Who else stands out?

Mark: Well, we didn’t produce every song. On “What Was I Made For?” we just did the string arrangement, but as soon as we heard the first demo from Billy [Eilish], we were like, “Wow, I can’t believe she watched twenty-five minutes of the film and cut right to the heart of Barbie’s experience.”

 

“I’m Just Ken” has turned out to be the movie’s big showstopper, with Ryan Gosling belting out this emotional power ballad. How did that song come together?

Mark: The Ken character got under our skin as soon as we read the script. Everybody can empathize with the loser. We were just trying to write something that made you feel for this guy, so one day, I was walking to the studio, and I thought of the line, “I’m just Ken; anywhere else, I’d be a ten.” I made a little chorus idea, sent it over to Andrew and he came up with the verse.

Greta Gerwig liked “I’m Just Ken” so much that she rewrote the script to make room for it in the third act. That must have been gratifying.

Mark: Yeah, of course. We’re working with Greta and with [Barbie co-writer] Noah Baumbach, who are kind of comic geniuses with words. So Andrew and I were like, “Oh, they think our words are good enough that we’re not going to ruin their movie if they literally change the entire third act to accommodate this thing.” When they sent us storyboards with our lyrics and a drawing of Ryan on the bed singing, you go, “Oh s***, this is real!”

 

What’s it like working with Ryan Gosling in the studio?

Andrew: Ryan’s a talented vocalist, so he was easy. I don’t think we did more than a couple of takes. We’ve been doing this stuff a long time, and sometimes, at the end of a session, you go, “Boy, I hope we can make this sound good.” Including my own vocals, I should say. But with Ryan, we just did a few takes, and the sound was already there. We were quite blown away.

Mark: Ryan was in the vocal booth behind this glass window. You don’t want to stare, but I’d look over occasionally and see that he was really far back from the microphone. First rule, producing 101, is to get the singer as close to the microphone as you can so you can go directly to the feeling. But I realized Ryan was singing as if it were both a mike and a camera. He used his whole body, kind of what opera singers did back in the day at Carnegie Hall. Ryan performed that song with every bit of Ken in him.

You recorded him in London?

Mark: Yeah, we went to London because we only had three hours to get this song done in between Ryan’s insane workouts and dance rehearsals. Later, we also recorded the other guys on Skype singing the background, “And I’m enough!” Andrew sang backgrounds, too

Andrew: That was fun.

In addition to all these soundtrack tunes, you also composed the score, which plays underneath that poignant scene when Margot Robbie’s “Barbie” meets Ruth Handler (Rhea Perlman), inventor of the Barbie doll. What were you aiming for in that sequence?

Mark: Greta was like, “I need to be crying here,” so we did probably like seventeen drafts of that thing until we got it right. The music couldn’t get in the way of dialogue, so we used a lot of synths and sound pads to swirl around it, and choirs, and the orchestra, and a glass harmonica, which is this beautiful droning instrument. We knew the emotional crux of the film was in some ways on our shoulders, so on our last pull-out-our-hair night, Andrew sat at the keyboard for the longest time, just watching this scene over and over.

L-r: Rhea Perlman and Margot Robbie in “Barbie.” Courtesy Warner Bros.

Tweaking the music until. . .

Mark: Tweaking until we were f***ing making ourselves cry.

For more on Barbie, check out these stories:

“Barbie” Casting Directors Allison Jones And Lucy Bevan on Populating Barbie Land

“Barbie” Hair & Makeup Artist Ivana Primorac Conjures Personality From Plastic

Pretty in Pink With “Barbie” Production Designer Sarah Greenwood & Set Decorator Katie Spencer

Featured image: Caption: (L-r) RYAN GOSLING as Ken and MARGOT ROBBIE as Barbie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ “BARBIE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Jaap Buitendijk

Best of 2023: Gina Prince-Bythewood, MPA Creator Award Recipient, Tells Her Story

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

An elite force of female soldiers, the Agojie, is all that stands between the African Kingdom of Dahomey and the combined forces of the Oyo Empire and Mahi people. The Oyo and Mahi plan to raid Dahomey villages and sell their captives to European slavers. We open on a Mahi village where raiders heat their machetes over a fire at night. Their leader hears something in the tall grass surrounding them and quiets his men, standing to get a better look. A flock of birds burst from the grass. The men laugh. Their leader is paranoid. All is well, and their raid will go off as planned.

A moment later, the leader of the Agojie, Nanisca (Viola Davis), rises from the grass, followed by her fellow female soldiers. It’s an ambush. And despite it taking place at night before we’ve met Nanisca and her elite force, the action is framed by someone who knows exactly where she wants her camera to be, exactly whose story she’s telling, and exactly what the purpose for every beat is.

 

We’re 90 seconds into the beginning of director Gina Prince-Bythewood‘s The Woman King — her second brilliantly conceived and executed action epic in a row, following her 2020 movie The Old Guard, an adaptation of a graphic novel that tracked a team of immortal mercenaries led by Charlize Theron’s Andy and joined by KiKi Layne’s Nile. With The Woman King, Prince-Bythewood once again centered the action on women, only the degree of difficulty was significantly higher for reasons technical (larger cast, larger crew, more complicated set pieces), global (Covid-19), and professional (the film had been delayed for years over concerns that its predominantly Black female cast would not attract audiences). Yet Prince-Bythewood once again deployed her immense gifts for crafting visually coherent, emotionally resonant action sequences, an ability shaped by the fact she’s a former top-tier athlete herself. Few directors better understand that action has to be legible to be enjoyable, but to make great action, each moment, each beat, each punch, and each kick have to be supercharged by the personalities, histories, and heartbreaks of the combatants involved.

For this reason and many more besides, Gina Prince-Bythewood is the Motion Picture Association’s 2023 Creator Award recipient, having created a thrilling body of work that has consistently reframed whose stories get told and who gets to tell them. From her breakout hit Love & Basketball in 2000, through The Secret Life of Bees (2008) and Beyond the Lights (2014), Prince-Bythewood has gravitated toward intimate stories that, occasionally, as of late, happen to take place on an epic scale. You can’t separate her vision when shaping an action sequence from her years as an athlete, nor can you separate her action movies from her early, intimate, personal films.

L-r: Sanaa Lathan and Gina Prince-Bythewood on the set of “Love & Basketball” in 2000. Courtesy New Line Cinema.

Prince-Bythewood has approached every film with a mantra. “I see a connection between [all my movies] in terms of the stories I want to tell, which I call intimately epic,” she says. “It doesn’t matter what size canvas I’m working with; you have to care about the character’s story first.”

One of the reasons Prince-Bythewood is one of the best action directors working is she understands on a visceral level what it takes to compete, what it feels like to believe you can and will defeat your opponent, and what it requires to achieve that. She can make a large-scale scene of hand-to-hand combat flow as beautifully and cogently as she made an offense flow on the basketball court when she was running point.

“All the lessons you learn from sports, especially as a girl, are things that are normally not encouraged or thought of as assets for girls,” Prince-Bythewood says. “To learn that aggression is good, to learn that ambition is good, to learn how to outwork everybody, to learn to have stamina, to learn to leave it all out on the floor, I’ve been able to take that to sets when I’m a director to pull the team together, to inspire and lead, and hopefully encourage them with my vision. These are all things I learned on the court and on the track.”

L-r: Queen Latifah, Gina Prince-Bythewood, and Jennifer Hudson on the set of “The Secret Life of Bees” in 2008. Courtesy Searchlight Pictures.

Crucially, for The Woman King, Prince-Bythewood also excelled in the ring as a kickboxer after college.

“To be able to know what a good punch looks like, what a good kick looks like, the intensity of when you’re in a ring and what it means when you’re facing an opponent, the intention behind your swings and kicks those were all things I was able to talk to the actors about,” she says.

As incredible as the women in Prince-Bythewood’s The Woman King cast were — Viola Davis, Thuso Mbedu, Lashana Lynch, Sheila Atim, and more — she knew she was going to ask them to do things they’d never done before. She and her team — fight and stunt coordinator Danny Hernandez, fight choreographer Jénel Stevens, and lead cast trainer and nutritionist Gabby Mclain — built them into a cohesive fighting unit, one brutal day of training at a time.

Jenel Stevens on set of "The Woman King." Courtesy Sony Pictures
Jenel Stevens on set of “The Woman King.” Courtesy Sony Pictures

“I knew I didn’t just want my actors to learn the moves; I needed them to really do it because I think that’s the best way to film action,” Prince-Bythewood says. “The question was, how can I build athletes? So I talked to my team, Danny Hernandez, my incredible fight and stunt coordinator who’s also a martial artist, and Gabby Mclain, who was in charge of building up their bodies so that they could withstand [the training], and we built athletes to see what they could do.”

Gabriela Mclain and Viola Davis training during "The Woman King." Courtesy Sony Pictures.
Gabriela Mclain and Viola Davis training during “The Woman King.” Courtesy Sony Pictures.

They could do a lot, it turns out. The cast went through a grueling training regimen that began months before Prince-Bythewood shot a single frame, and they continued training once they were on location in South Africa. At one point Prince-Bythewood had them training six days a week, including morning sprints for an hour and a half, martial arts training with Hernandez, and two hours of strength training with weights.

“It was a really beautiful thing to see women who hadn’t been in touch with that part of themselves overcome so much of the negative self-talk that had been built up over time to realize the way you do one thing is the way you do all things,” Prince-Bythewood says. “That’s something you learn from sports as well. For them to see their bodies get stronger, to see their swagger increase, to see the way that they walked into a room, the confidence, all of that was built in the gym. Because I’d been through it myself, I knew that’s what it would do.”

 

But what about the practicalities of her profession, the technical aspects of turning a melee into a meaningful moment of violent catharsis? How does she find the poetry within all those bodies slashing and slamming into each other? How does she avoid the trap that so many directors seem to fall into, where the camera seems to move as hyper-kinetically as the action, and the viewer is left dazed and a little defeated by the scene?

“Building and shooting the action sequences in The Woman King, I could be right there with Danny [Hernandez] saying, ‘I didn’t believe that; she really needs to have intent.’ Talking to the actors, I could say, ‘You’re not just swinging a machete, you’re swinging it through flesh and bone, you have to have an intent, so what is your intent?’” she says. “And that changes the way that people swing.”

Camera placement is key. Prince-Bythewood has honed her skill as a visual storyteller by remaining committed to the emotional beats that make a physical showdown meaningful.

“First and foremost, it starts with the fact that as a director, I’m the first audience, so I need to understand the scene, I need to be able to follow the story, and then it’s my job to tell that story,” Prince-Bythewood says. “I put the camera where I feel like I can watch the action, follow the action, and care about the action. We always start with, ‘What is the character doing? What is this revealing about the character? What is the story of this moment? Honestly, I equate it to a love scene. I love doing love scenes, and it’s the same concept. It has to have a story, it has to be character-based.”

L-r: Lashana Lynch, Thuso Mbedu and director, Gina Prince-Bythewood.

Caring about the emotional state of a character is as crucial for a director to succeed as it is for a viewer to lose themselves in a story. It’s why you watch The Old Guard and feel so caught up in the initial terror and fury of KiKi Layne’s Nile as she fights Charlize Theron’s Andy on a cargo plane (an all-time great action sequence). Or why, in The Woman King, you find yourself drawn to each of the main characters within a given action set piece and know not only who they are by how they fight, but why they fight that way.

Gina Prince-Bythewood on the set of “The Old Guard.” Courtesy Netflix.

“If you take Lashana Lynch’s character Izogie, the very first time you meet her says so much about her as a character,” Prince-Bythewood says. “The fact that she uses her nails as a weapon, the intensity in her face. We talked about a feral abandon with the way she fights where she’s trying to humiliate her opponent to get back at all the trauma she’s experienced. This is opposed to Viola’s character Nanisca, who’s a general and has this brutal efficiency and shows no emotion. That tells you a lot about her. That’s the fun part, building these scenes and knowing you want them to look cool and have cool moves, but you have to have an intent, a story, and a character behind those moves for an audience to care.”

Lashana Lynch stars in THE WOMAN KING.
Lashana Lynch stars in THE WOMAN KING. Courtesy Sony Pictures.

Prince-Bythewood has followed her own instincts and interests, from athletics to film, from smaller intimate films to action epics, yet there’s been a remarkable consistency in all her work, no matter the scale, a genuine interest in the interiority of the characters she depicts.

“I truly believe that the first thing you come out with should tell the world who you are as an artist and tell Hollywood who you are as an artist,” she says about that crucial first movie. “I also believe everyone has a story only they can tell, and that’s what’s going to separate you. It’s something I had to learn — I really thought the way to break in was to mimic the things that were successful. People want fresh stories. Fresh perspectives. It took me a second to get there, but also, it takes courage to say, ‘My story is meaningful enough that millions of people will want to see it.’ [Laughs] Whether that’s courage or swagger, it goes back to that athlete mentality. When I walk on the court, I am the best person on it.”

 

It’s hard enough to write a personal story, harder still to share it, and perhaps hardest of all to hear no. Prince-Bythewood knows from this experience.

“You have to have that to be able to sit down and write a personal story and believe that others will care. That’s a hard thing to do, and there will be times where you’ll lose confidence and certainly, for me, I kept thinking [about Love & Basketball], ‘Who’s going to care about a story about a Black girl who wants to be the first woman in the NBA?’ But I believed in it so much that it kept getting me back into the chair, even after every single studio and production company turned down that film. It was soul-crushing to put something on the page that you believed in so much, that was a personal story, and to be told essentially, your voice doesn’t matter, your story doesn’t matter. But that never made me question the story, it was just a hard thing to push through. But overcoming no is something you have to learn in this industry because you just need that one yes. I was so, so fortunate to get that yes from Sundance, which changed the trajectory of my career.”

L-r: L-r: Sanaa Lathan, Omar Epps, and Gina Prince-Bythewood on the set of “Love & Basketball” in 2000. Courtesy New Line Cinema.

Prince-Bythewood credits having a great support group of filmmakers and friends. Her biggest rock, however, is her husband Reggie Rock Bythewood, who she’s collaborating with on Genius: MLK/X, which is focused on the relationship between Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. She and her husband will serve as Executive Producers under their production company Undisputed Cinema. 

“My husband is my biggest champion and my biggest support and my favorite writer,” she says. “So on those days where you’re on the floor, there’s somebody saying, ‘Get up, keep fighting.’ That’s supremely important.”

As for the MPA Creator Award, she says it speaks to something she’s believed since she was working on Love & Basketball.

“The thing I’m excited about with the MPA Creator Award is what I’m being honored — that those who make film and television can change the world. That’s how I approach the work even 23 years later; I’ve never let go of the knowledge of the power of film and how it literally can change lives and change perception and shift culture. So, to be honored for that, to know that people are seeing that in my work, that it’s not just about entertaining but I am actually trying to say something to the world — it’s incredibly meaningful.”

For more on Gina Prince-Bythewood, check out these stories:

“The Woman King” Director Gina Prince-Bythewood on Her Singular, Sweeping Historical Epic

Director Gina Prince-Bythewood on her Netflix Epic The Old Guard

To read last year’s profile of the Motion Picture Association’s Creator Award recipient, check this out:

MPA Creator Award Recipient Writer/Director Nikyatu Jusu on her Stunning Debut Feature “Nanny”

Featured image: L-r: Gina Prince-Bythewood and Sanaa Lathan on the set of “Shots Fired.” Courtesy Fox Network.

Best of 2023: “Succession” Costume Designer Michelle Matland Breaks Down the Roy Family’s Signature Looks

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

Early this season on Succession, Waystar Royco executive Tom (Matthew Macfadyen) mocks the $2900 Burberry handbag carried by cousin Greg’s (Nicholas Braun) date as being “Ludicrously capacious…You could slide it across the floor after a bank job.” And in the show’s first year, Kendall (Jeremy Strong) bought a pair of $500 Lanvin sneakers to ingratiate himself with potential Silicon Valley investors, telling them, “I got these sneakers on the way down here because I thought you’d all be dressed like f*****’ Björk, and I wanted to make an impression.” But most of the time, the privileged anti-heroes of Succession reserve their trash-talk for personality flaws rather than fashion critiques.

Nonetheless, fans pay close attention to the clothes worn by Logan Roy (Brian Cox) and his offspring, with Instagram accounts like Successionfashion tracking the characters’ tops, bottoms, shoes, and accessories in granular detail.

Credit for Succession‘s singular brand of corporate chic goes to costume designer Michelle Matland, whose credits include The Girl on the Train along with Emmy-nominated work on Mildred Pierce and Angels in America. She’s dressed all four seasons of the show, eschewing primary colors to curate nuanced variations in black, navy blue, and beige silhouettes tailored to reflect each character’s particular strain of inner turmoil.

Matland deconstructs the Roy family wardrobe, from the late Logan Roy to the youngest, Roman, revealing where she found Logan Roy’s signature cardigan sweater, explains why Kendall Roy likes baseball caps, and more.

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Logan (played by Brian Cox): In the season opener, he’s wearing this amazing double-breasted sweater with brass buttons. Of course, it’s a cardigan sweater, which became Logan Roy’s signature look, as if he’s so powerful, he doesn’t have to bother with a suit and tie. Where do you source those sweaters, and what did you have in mind for giving him this casual look?

The whole point of Logan is he never has to be anything other than his comfort zone. One of his original sweaters came from a tiny shop in a little upstate town called Livingston Manor. One side of the store had gorgeous men’s clothing, and the other side had kitchenware. We knew right away this was for Logan. It fit [Brian Cox] perfectly, it was strong, and it was immediately right. Logan Roy doesn’t have to dress up for anyone because he’s the man. He is who he is, and he maintains that through the seasons. He’s King Lear, and he’s staying King Lear.

L-r: Brian Cox and Matthew Macfayden. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO

Kendall (Jeremy Strong): He likes baseball caps! What does that say about his character? And what are some other elements you’ve outfitted Kendall with that speak to persona?

The baseball cap was not an unconscious choice. It developed as a shell of protection. It fits his comfort zone as a way to hide and also as a way to set himself apart from the more formal culture associated with his position, his family, and his company. Kendall is very specific about what he wants — standard, iconic looks — and he has stuck with that throughout the series. One thing from last season, there was a Rashid Johnson necklace from the series called “Anxious Man,” which really says a lot and speaks to his character. And Kendall loves logos, especially if it’s a subtle, beautiful, understated logo. But he’s also gentle about getting those things and wearing them multiple times. It’s not like he’s looking into a logo designer; he just wants something very specific and character-driven.

Jeremy Strong. Photograph by Claudette Barius/HBO
Jeremy Strong. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO

Shiv (Sarah Snook): She’s got one toe in the world of politics but also sees herself as a shrewd businesswoman. Her pantsuits evidently resonate with viewers. Who in the real world, if anyone, did you take as a reference for Shiv’s sense of style, and what personal qualities did you want to express?

When we began Season 2, we thought Shiv was someone who is very much embodying Katharine Hepburn. We wanted to establish a look that was high-waisted trousers and very simple, elegant, and flattering. We created a timeline where she was very classy and clean looking. And this last season, she was very comfortable in her own life, finally much more available. At one point, she was trying to be in the board room, but now she is less board room.

Sarah Snook. Photograph by Claudette Barius/HBO
Sarah Snook. Photo: David M. Russell/HBO

Roman (Kieran Culkin): He shows up in this season’s first episode wearing a pastel shirt and pants. He’s in L.A. with Shiv and Kendall, and that southern California vibe really contrasts with the New York shots of businessmen in their dark suits attending Logan’s birthday party. By contrast, Roman rarely wears a tie. What are you going for with that open-neck look?

Roman is the most casual uniformed guy on the planet. He is just moving through the room. He has no agenda at all with anyone; he’s simply his own beast. We have a closet for Roman, and Kieran will rummage through it for hours. He’s very personal in selecting, and that takes a lot of time.

Sarah Snook, Kieran Culkin, Jeremy Strong. Photograph by Claudette Barius/HBO
Jeremy Strong, Kieran Culkin, and Brian Cox. Photograph by Graeme Hunter/HBO
Jeremy Strong, Kieran Culkin, and Brian Cox. Photograph by Graeme Hunter/HBO

Connor (Alan Ruck): He’s always been a bit of an outsider. Do you deliberately dress him differently from the other three siblings?

He’s a presidential candidate now and dresses like one. Connor is much more professional and political than when the show first started. Connor has become official. There’s no particular meaning behind the vest itself.

Alan Ruck. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO
Justine Lupe and Alan Ruck. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO

Tom & Greg (Matthew Macfadyen and Nicholas Braun), aka “The Disgusting Brothers”: They exist outside the immediate Logan family but still play important roles in the story. You dress both characters in beautiful suits, and at times they almost look like twins. Was that intentional?

Yes, it’s intentional that they look similar. Greg is always following Tom, and we had every intention of giving them uniformity and showing this consistently.

Matthew Macfadyen and Nicholas Braun. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO
Matthew Macfadyen and Nicholas Braun. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO

What’s it like designing for creator Jesse Armstrong?

He is the most fabulous, collaborative, and involved person I’ve ever worked with.

Anything secrets to your success on outfitting one of the most fashionable series on TV?

I’ve been known from time to time to walk up to someone in the street and literally purchase the shirt off their back. I tend to source costumes from anywhere at any time. You might say I’m a 24-hour designer. And also, an important point that gets underestimated: through all my experiences over the years, the jewelry and the accessories, the scarves, earrings and necklaces, the rings — all of that is a constant treasure hunt and always pays off. You will be hard-pressed to find a character that isn’t wearing a distinctive piece of jewelry. I have drawers and drawers of jewelry; both refined and costume or personal pieces, and I don’t like them to go to set without something.

J. Smith Cameron and Kieran Culkin. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO
J. Smith Cameron and Kieran Culkin. Photograph by Macall B. Polay/HBO

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Featured image: Jeremy Strong, Sarah Snook, Kieran Culkin. Photograph by Claudette Barius/HBO

Best of 2023: “Rustin” Screenwriter Julian Breece on Giving a Legend his Due

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

There are countless unsung heroes of the civil rights movement who will never get the recognition they deserve, yet it’s hard to imagine an overlooked figure more central to the cause and more courageous and capacious in spirit than Bayard Rustin. While historians are well aware of the impact Rustin had on the civil rights movement writ large and specifically the March on Washington, most Americans are not.

George C. Wolfe‘s Rustin (in theaters now) offers a course correction. Wolfe directs from a script co-written by Julian Breece, who has put ten years into shaping the story of a larger-than-life figure whose life went so largely unapplauded. Breece first heard about the project a decade ago and petitioned Oscar-winning screenwriter (and his co-writer on Rustin) Dustin Lance Black to give him a shot. Once onboard, Breece faced the challenge that every storyteller attempting to craft a biopic about a legend must surmount—how do you capture the essence of a figure so crucial and so complex into a single movie?

Breece’s approach was to focus on Rustin’s ingenious, tireless efforts to orchestrate the 1963 March on Washington. Rustin was not just a crucial architect of this defining moment in American history, but he was also a mentor to Martin Luther King Jr., and these dual roles gave Breece the backbone of his story, vividly showing how Rustin helped take the March on Washington from an impossible dream to King’s iconic “I Have a Dream” speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial.

“I grew up thinking whatever I did, I was going to have to be behind the scenes or in the shadows because I was queer, and I’m sure Bayard felt some of that as well,” says Breece. He was talking specifically about how Rustin, who was openly gay well before the March, was sidelined during portions of the civil rights movement on account of a whisper campaign about his sexuality. Eventually, King would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with his mentor, but it was the journey of getting to that moment on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial that Breece set his sights on.

We spoke with Breece about his decade-long pursuit of a script worthy of Bayard Rustin, Colman Domingo’s absorbing performance, and what he hopes audiences will take from Rustin’s life. We have the written portion of the interview below, as well as a shorter video version, too.

 

Tell me about this ten-year journey you went in researching and writing Rustin.

The year I found out about the project, in 2013, I was temping. I’d won some screenwriting awards coming out of grad school for a screenplay I’d written about the ball scene in New York, but none of that had translated into work, so I was still doing my spec scripts and working on a studio lot. My manager told me that Dustin Lance Black [Oscar-winner for his Milk screenplay] was producing a movie about Bayard Rustin, and he’s looking for a writer. At the time, it was still difficult to get into any rooms for features, particularly for Black writers. There weren’t a lot of us in the system in 2013.

Julian Breece

So, how did you get to Dustin Lance Black?

I wrote this super long letter to Lance explaining to him why I was so passionate about Bayard, who had been a hero of mine since I learned about him on my own—he wasn’t taught in any classes. I finally got a meeting with him after he saw a short I did at Out Fest, and he liked it. He read my work, and we hit it off. From there, I was off to research.

And what did your research entail?

I read everything I could get my hands on and actually moved to New York for three months because that’s where Bayard was based and where the people closest to him still live. And the Rustin Papers are in D.C. [at the Library of Congress]. But it was the one-on-one interviews that I did where I discovered the heart of the movie. I did about 19 hours of interviews with people who worked with Bayard and had close relationships with him. That was probably the most rewarding part of the research process.

How did you start to shape the story from this wealth of research material and all the hours of interview tape?

There was so much about Bayard’s life; it really could be a limited series. But I learned about Bayard in connection with the March on Washington and his relationship with Martin Luther King. You can’t do a movie about Bayard without centering the March on Washington, especially since it’s a culmination of the different parts of his career.

Did you look to any other biopics as a reference for what you were hoping to achieve?

As a student of film, there’s a place for cradle-to-grave biographical films, but I’m more attracted to films focused on the moment that made the person great. One of my favorite biographical films is Capote. I’d read the script over and over and over again. It’s so beautifully written. It really takes that moment when Truman Capote as we know him, all his flash and flair as a writer and public person, became great. It shows how his growth as an artist was also, in some ways, tragic. So, if I had to say there was a model for the way I looked at Rustin, it was definitely Capote.

There are so many moments that depict the way Bayard had of being in the world, his warmth and humor, his passion and hard-headedness. Who specifically did you interview that helped you flesh out his character?

I spoke to Rachelle Horowitz [played by Lilly Kay], who was one of Bayard’s assistants, for hours and hours. Then there was Walter Naegle, his partner, who was so generous and who has really been the person who’s carried the torch of Bayard’s legacy all of these years when it seemed like people didn’t want to know. He let me know the private Bayard, the Bayard behind the public face, behind the strength, behind the strong leader and organizer who everyone looked up to and wanted to follow, behind the Bayard who was charismatic and wonderfully flamboyant and captivating. Walter helped me know who he was in those vulnerable moments and how really felt about certain things, things that he may not have said publicly that hurt him.

RUSTIN (2023)
Lilli Kay as Rachelle Horowitz.
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You highlight so many crucial relationships Bayard had, and none more so than his relationship with Martin Luther King Jr. How did you approach their fondness for each other, as well as their falling out for a time?

What moved me the most when I learned about Bayard and King was that you have the most iconic, famous religious figure in modern history, aside from the Pope, who was mentored by a gay man. Mind-blowing. I think Bayard’s mentorship of King was the reason he was pushed out— the whisper campaign. Even though Bayard had helped mold King as a leader, it was like, ‘Well, now we can’t have you be associated with him at all.’ The lessons that Bayard taught King about bravery and leadership, we see that in the arc of King’s growth to becoming great, right at the moment before he stepped out onto that podium and made the greatest speech of all time.

Rustin. (L to R) Audra McDonald as Ella Baker and Colman Domingo as Bayard Rustin in Rustin. Cr. David Lee/Netflix © 2023

Rustin also makes a very moving point that it’s the relationships between people, rather than simply the greatness of any one individual, that get things done. I’m thinking of Bayard’s conversations with Ella Baker [played by Audra Macdonald], who spurs him on to get back into the game after the whisper campaign.

Ella Baker and Bayard provided that kind of support for each other. Him being queer, and her being a woman in the movement and being underestimated because of that. You understand why Bayard’s relationship with the women in the movement was so important and why he saw them in a way that male leadership didn’t. And Ella was able to see him in ways that the male leadership couldn’t afford to, too. The March on Washington was all about coalition building and relationships. That’s the only way that it happened, and I’m hoping that we can look at that now as a country and a world and just see the importance of intersectionality and being able to support each other’s causes, as opposed to everyone fighting for themselves. Things don’t change that way. Bayard Rustin knew that revolutionary change happens through relationships and coalition building.

Rustin. Colman Domingo as Bayard Rustin, Melissa Rakiro as Yvette, Ayana Workman as Eleanor, Jordan-Amanda Hall as Charlene, Jakeem Dante Powell as Norm in Rustin. Cr. David Lee/Netflix © 2023

Another thing you take away from Rustin is the tremendous courage Bayard had. To live openly as a gay Black man at that time and be a force of nature in the civil rights movement…it boggles the mind.

People loved Bayard Rustin. Like anyone else, he has his edges, his thorns, but he was a deeply generous, deeply gentle person. The reason why he was out in the thirties, forties, and fifties is because his belief in equality and truth ran that deep. He’s like, if I’m not living it, I can’t fight for it. I can’t live a lie and tell other people to tell the truth. He drew people to him because of that courage.

RUSTIN (2023) Colman Domingo as Bayard Rustin and Johnny Ramey as Elias. Cr: David Lee/NETFLIX

His charm comes through from the very first scene, when he’s being mocked by a young member of the civil rights movement, and by the end of the film, that same young man adores him. 

That was one of my favorite scenes to write. Showing Bayard coming back into the movement through the young people. You have to learn what’s going on. Even the old guard didn’t really know what was happening on the lower frequencies, but the young people who were on the ground knew. So Bayard’s relationship with that particular character, Blyden [Grantham Coleman], was a real relationship. Blyden’s a radical straight dude who, by the end, felt like Bayard was a badass. Who is more badass than Bayard Rustin? Who’s able to slay all of these dragons, say, ‘This is who I am, deal with it, come with it, I am going to fight on no matter what.’ I hope other people coming out of it feel that same way about Bayard.

Rustin is in theaters now and streams on Netflix on November 17.

Featured image: Rustin. (L to R) Jeffrey Mackenzie Jordan as Courtney and Colman Domingo as Bayard Rustin. Cr. Parrish Lewis/Netflix © 2023

Best of 2023: “Fair Play” Writer/Director Chloe Domont Makes a Killing on Male Fragility

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

Fair Play, writer/director Chloe Domont‘s feature debut, is somehow both an old-school erotic thriller and a shrewd, scalpel-sharp dissection of how far we have and have not come with gender equality in the workplace and in the headspace of men, even those who consider themselves allies.

The film is largely set at the hedge fund One Crest Capitol, where Emily (Phoebe Dynevor) and Luke (Alden Ehrenreich) are low-level but promising analysts trying to take the next step in their careers. The vibes at One Crest Capitol are deeply dog-eat-dog, with the only trappings of a more enlightened age evidenced by a policy against intra-office romance. This is why Emily and Luke keep their engagement a secret, and all seems to be going to plan until one of the firm’s PMs (portfolio manager) is unceremoniously fired—he takes his rage out on a couple of computer monitors—and a promotion for Luke to fill the role seems nigh.

Only it’s the smarter, savvier Emily who gets the gig, turning the erotics depicted between the couple in the film’s early going into the thriller Fair Play becomes. While Luke plays at being both supportive and excited about Emily’s promotion, things between them go from tense to terrifying.

Domont explains how she crafted one of the finest erotic thrillers in years by setting out not to make a female revenge fantasy but rather an exploration of that most exquisitely fragile of constructs—the male ego.

Can you tell me about researching the hedge fund world?

I had a bunch of friends in that world, and they put me in touch with some hedge fund guys, and basically, it started with me taking them out for drinks and getting some of them drunk and asking basic questions, like, take me through your day from the moment you get up to the moment you go to bed. Even the mundane stuff.  I wanted a full picture of what the day-to-day is like. Then, I asked about tensions and dynamics between an analyst and a PM. What are the most frustrating moments you’ve experienced with your superior? How do you treat someone who’s beneath you? Once I had a good grasp on it, I took a pass on writing a draft, then I shared it with them and got some notes on authenticity.

The finance jargon feels authentic, as does the poisoned relationships between all the men at One Crest Captial.

Actually, I felt like the finance jargon was the easy part; the harder part was, ‘Do I have a story that people will care about watching?’ [Laughs]. The harder part was crafting the drama and how the conflict would escalate and create this ballooning tension that you don’t know when it’s going to pop, but once it does, it turns into a dogfight. By far, the most challenging part of writing it was figuring out the pace, the tone, and the rhythm.

Fair Play, behind the scenes L to R: Rich Sommer as Paul, Chloe Domont, writer and director and Phoebe Dynevor as Emily. Cr. Slobodan Pikula / Courtesy of Netflix

Was the pacing pretty well baked into the script, or did you find it while in the production and editing process?

Everything was pretty much there in the script. I even put camera directions in the script. I really worked on trying to fully realize every element of filmmaking before we went into shooting because I thought, this is my one shot, you know? Working in television was an amazing boot camp experience for me leading up to my first feature; you always have to cut shots, and you have to know what you have to protect at all costs and what you’re willing to sacrifice. But also, when you get on set, I think the most exciting thing about filmmaking is that you can rehearse it in a certain way and know exactly where your camera is going to be, but then the magic of filmmaking is something unexpected always comes up.

Your script is so tight that I’m sure there are lots of actors who could have done it justice, but I’m curious what you think about why they seemed so perfectly tailored to Alden Ehrenreich and Phoebe Dynevor. 

Individually, they’re each such strong, versatile actors that I think they can do anything, but when you put two people together, the stars have to align. Their chemistry was just instant. The film really lives and dies off their chemistry. I remember early on, we’d rehearsed, and it felt electric in many ways, but until you get to shooting, you’re a little bit nervous if that chemistry is going to come through on camera. But I remember we shot the bathroom scene where they’re recently engaged, and they’re slow dancing, and the way they look at each other, it was just so magnetic. I knew at that moment that I had a movie.

Fair Play. (L to R) Alden Ehrenreich as Luke and Phoebe Dynevor as Emily in Fair Play. Cr. Courtesy of Netflix

There are such subtle moments where Luke is trying to do right by Emily and applaud her promotion, but there’s this simmering resentment that we can feel growing inside him. How did you shape those?

What I tried to do with the character and what Alden brought to Luke is he represents a certain generation of men who are caught in the middle between wanting to adhere to a modern feminist society but still having been raised on traditional ideas of masculinity. That doesn’t make him a bad guy at all. He adores Emily because she’s ambitious. He adores her because she’s talented, because she’s a killer; that’s why he’s attracted to her. But at the same time, on some level, you know he was raised under more traditional ideas of gender roles. It’s that conflict that he starts to internalize and doesn’t know how to deal with, and that’s something I wanted to show—how problematic it becomes when someone doesn’t know how to deal with something. But, again, he genuinely is happy for her, but he’s hurt because he thought [the promotion] was his. He has this idea of who he’s supposed to be, the kind of man he’s supposed to become. This sudden flip throws him for a loop in a way he’s not prepared for. I think it’s tough for anyone to think you’re up for a job and your partner gets it, but then, what I’m exploring here are some of these ingrained power dynamics that I think we still haven’t quite figured out yet.

Fair Play. (center) Phoebe Dynevor as Emily and (center right) Alden Ehrenreich as Luke in Fair Play. Cr. Courtesy of Netflix

Your film is set in the aftermath of #MeToo in one of the most male-dominated, nakedly zero-sum capitalist professions. There’s one moment, in particular, when Eddie Marsan’s character Campbell, the big boss, savages Emily in a brutally sexist way that I was hoping you could unpack.

It’s an animal kingdom, you know? It’s every man for himself. I think the #MeToo movement never hit the finance world. There’s a certain level of power and money that you can’t touch. I think people definitely treat each other with more respect, but at the same time, what I wanted to show with Eddie’s character when he finally lashes out at Emily is that this is someone who hired her because he sees her value regardless of her gender and genuinely thinks she’s the best person for the job, and in that way, he’s her champion. But, as soon as she slips, then her failure is through the lens of gender. And I think that’s a double standard that a lot of women face in every industry. Yes, there are these male champions out there that believe in you and support you, but as soon as slip, you f**ked up because you’re a woman. I wanted to show that in the most cutting way.

Fair Play. (L to R) Phoebe Dynevor as Emily, Eddie Marsan as Campbell, Rich Sommer as Paul in Fair Play. Cr. Slobodan Pikula / Courtesy of Netflix

And she absorbs it after some initial shock and keeps pressing on at Crest Capital.

That’s why I had him say it again. The look of shock on her face, like, what did you just call me? And he’s like, yeah, I can say whatever the f**k I want. You don’t like it? Leave. And that’s how it is.

[Spoilers below]

Can you explain how you set up Luke’s spectacular flameout at the office when he attempts to undermine Emily to his final, even more desperate and awful act at home?

In the scene with Campbell when she has to choose how to deal with [Luke’s treachery] and save face at that company because Luke throws her under the bus, Campbell gives her his thirty thousand view of the world, which is this— ‘It doesn’t f**king matter. It’s all about the money. Just move on from it. I don’t care who you kill, I don’t care who you f**k, just do it on your time.’ So she’s sitting on that idea that accountability doesn’t matter, and watching this new woman come in, and Emily’s on the other side of what she’s experienced, this abuse, and she knows everything this young woman is going to go through, that’s what’s in her head when she’s faced with Luke for one final confrontation.

Fair Play, behind the scenes Eddie Marsan as Campbell Cr. Sergej Radovic / Courtesy of Netflix

What did you want to bring across in that final confrontation between Emily and Luke? 

For me, the ending was always about Emily reclaiming the power that Luke takes away from her. The film always had to escalate to the sexual assault scene in the bathroom because the only way for Luke to reclaim the power in the relationship at that point is through physical dominance. The only way for Emily to reclaim the power again is through physical force as well because this is a man who refuses to be held accountable. So, it had to go to these places for me because I set out to make a thriller about power dynamics on the ugliest level. Sexual assault is not about sex; it’s about power. Then, when it does occur, what’s Emily going to do about it? She tries to confront him on his inability to face who he is. He’s a man who cannot own up to his own weakness and cannot face his own failures, and it causes so much destruction. For me, the last scene is not about female revenge; it’s a scene about holding a man accountable. A man who refuses to be held accountable. The whole movie builds up to the line where Luke finally mutters the words, “I’m nothing.” Once he finally does that, once he’s finally the man who acknowledges his own inferiority, his own weakness, his own failure, that’s the resolution of the film. Ultimately, this is not a film about female empowerment; this is a film about male fragility.

Fair Play. (L to R) Alden Ehrenreich as Luke and Phoebe Dynevor as Emily in Fair Play. Cr. Sergej Radovic / Courtesy of Netflix

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Featured image: Fair Play. (L to R) Alden Ehrenreich as Luke and Phoebe Dynevor as Emily in Fair Play. Cr. Sergej Radovic / Courtesy of Netflix

Best of 2023: “Ahsoka” Cinematographer Eric Steelberg on Lensing a Rebel Jedi’s Journey Through Time & Space

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

For Ahsoka cinematographer Eric Steelberg, lensing the latest live-action Star Wars series was a dream come true. Growing up in thrall to George Lucas’s original trilogy, Steelberg would find himself on set while filming the new series, surrounded by massive spaceships both practical and virtual (the latter thanks to Industrial Light & Magic’s LED immersive soundstage the Volume), astonished by his own job.

“You’re sitting there trying to figure this out and tell the story because it is a job, but then what you’re watching takes you aback. Like, I can’t believe we’re doing this,” Steelberg says.

The new series, the first live-action Star Wars show to spring from one of the franchise’s animated series (Star Wars: Rebels), follows its titular heroine, the rebel Jedi Ahsoka Tano (Rosario Dawson), and the return of a terrifically powerful adversary (Grand Admiral Thrawn, played by Lars Mikkelsen, who also voiced him in Rebels) in the aftermath of the fall of the Galactic Empire. Ahsoka’s allies are chiefly her former padawan Sabine Wren (Natasha Liu Bordizzo), her trusty droid Huyang (voiced by David Tennant), and General Hera Syndulla (Mary Elizabeth Winstead). Along with Thrawn, her chief antagonists are the formidable Baylan Skoll (the late Ray Stevenson), his protege Shin Hati (Ivanna Sakhno), and an assortment of bad guys, from droids to assassins, all working in concert to aid the return of Thrawn. Oh, and then there’s the thrilling arrival of Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen, reprising his role), who featured prominently in episode 5, “Shadow Warrior,” as he and Ahsoka tangled and tumbled through their past together in a deeply satisfying trip down memory lane.

We spoke to Steelberg about fulfilling a lifelong dream, from lightsaber duels to speeder bikes and all manner of Star Wars-styled action in between.

As a Star Wars fan, which I imagine so many of the folks working on Ahsoka are, what was it like taking on the responsibility of stepping into arguably the most storied franchise of them all?

It’s a lot of responsibility to take on. What if my fandom doesn’t translate through my work? At the same time, that amount of excitement and fear turns into healthy creative fuel.

Ahsoka has narrative overlap with The Mandalorian, but it’s a grander, more expansive story. Can you talk about the look and feel of the series?

The Mandalorian set the bar very high from what’s to be expected from a TV version of Star Wars. Your barrier for entry is already higher than I’ve ever experienced. And you’ve got the expectations of fans from the movies. I understand wanting the same level of quality. If we’re doing live-action, we’re doing live-action, and I don’t care what the budget is. All that matters is the final result. So people want those big, sprawling epic stories. They want high production value. They want a certain look. So that’s how I went into the project; we’ve all got the expectations of movie-level quality visuals, the technical expectations that were established in The Mandalorian and The Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi. So how do we achieve that but make it feel different?

(L-R): Sabine Wren (Natasha Liu Bordizzo) and Ahsoka Tano (Rosario Dawson) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.

How did you?

I started with Dave Filoni in prep about how we expand upon those expectations technically and creatively. We referenced the movies—both the originals and the more recent ones—and then it was a lot of references to Akira Kurosawa movies, which was a well-documented influence on both George Lucas and Dave. There are tonal things, letting things play out in wide shots that give it a sense of scale. That was our jumping-off point. Then, it was working with our art departments on what we could create that would show on screen in the best way possible. And this is a different story, based on the Star Wars: Rebels animated series. There are influences, even shots, taken from that. And then, for me, it’s also about how you capture that feeling of this being Star Wars?

(Center): Rosario Dawson on the set of Lucasfilm’s AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2022 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.

How would you describe a shot that feels like Star Wars?

Honestly, it comes down to a kind of gut feeling because some of its editing, some of its production design, some of its framing, and some of its lighting. Also, Star Wars is always widescreen, right? And what kind of screen? It’s always anamorphic. So that’s the most basic version, the visual starting point. From there, looking at the cinematography, for me, it’s the original three movies. That’s what I grew up on. That’s what I fell in love with. I’m always thinking of parallel moments in the original movies we can reference. At the same time, those movies were made in the late 70s and early 80s, so how do you keep that very polished, formal lighting style with the expectations of a modern audience that wants energy and pace? So that was just taken on a scene-by-scene, episode-by-episode process. But overall, it’s very composed, more classically lit, there’s no handheld camera work, everything is very deliberate. Everything is very planned and very designed. 

(L-R): Ahsoka Tano (Rosario Dawson) and Marrok (Paul Darnell) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.

Dipping into your episodes that have aired, can you pull out a sequence or moment that stood out for you?

The things that are classic Star Wars are the things that really got me. Sabine on a speeder bike going down the highway. That was amazing to try and give that an energy and realism I felt like we hadn’t seen before. And then the lightsaber fights, like the end sequence between Shin [Ivanna Sakhno] and Sabine—I was like, Oh my God, I’m shooting a lightsaber fight. This is amazing, and I can’t screw this up.

Sabine Wren (Natasha Liu Bordizzo) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.
Sabine Wren (Natasha Liu Bordizzo) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.

Even though this is the career you’ve chosen and worked hard at for years, it must still be surreal to go from being a fan of Star Wars to filming a lightsaber duel.

Just being in the cockpit of a spaceship, you know? Having those Star Wars conversations about rebels and shooting in the hangar bay and having these Star Wars ships around, which we did in the Volume in our virtual environment. It’s incredible. It doesn’t get old. You’re sitting there trying to figure this out and tell the story because it is a job, but then what you’re watching takes you aback. Like, I can’t believe we’re doing this; we’re adults playing with lightsabers, but being very earnest and serious about the best way to do it. It’s really hard, and it’s really fun. And there’s a tremendous amount of pride you get from doing something you have such an affinity for.

 

Ahsoka also benefits from having great villains—it’s very easy to root for Ahsoka, Sabine, Hera, and the droid Huyang [David Tennant]—but then you’ve got these great antagonists in the late Ray Stevenson as Baylan Skoll and Ivanna Sakhno as Shin.

We do. The casting is phenomenal. All the actors are not only perfect in the roles, but all good people, fun to be around, and love their characters. In Star Wars, the villains are sometimes more fun than the protagonists. Ray was fantastic. Phenomenal. Nobody else could do that role. One of my favorite things about my job is I love working with actors. I love watching actors really get into their characters. Ray would be like, ‘How was it?’ And you’d say, great! And you’d hesitate and say, ‘You know, we just missed this one look,’ but you don’t really want to say anything because they did such a good job. And you think maybe you can just work around it, but Ray would say, ‘What do you guys need?’ We’d show him, and he’d just nail it.

(L-R): Ahsoka Tano (Rosario Dawson) and Baylan Skoll (Ray Stevenson) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.
(L-R): Sabine Wren (Natasha Liu Bordizzo), Shin Hati (Ivanna Sakhno) and Baylan Skoll (Ray Stevenson) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.

There’s a begrudging respect between Baylan and Ahsoka, which reads almost like an intimacy that, so far, has made this a fun series.

I was really proud of episode four. It was really very challenging. Over half of the episode is lightsaber fights, and how do you keep that interesting? But we did. I remember in prep, I read the three or four scripts that were ready, and I remember thinking, ‘My God, how are we going to do this?’ It’s so complex, and what was being asked visually was off the charts for me. You might as well have said let’s actually shoot in space; it was so different from anything I’d ever done, too. I’d done some second unit in The Mandalorian season two, but I’d never done anything like this. But for everyone involved, the fact that it was Dave Filoni asking for it, it might as well have been George Lucas. It’s Dave’s creation, and he’s such a smart, talented, nice person that you want to give him everything he wants as a director. He’s so likable, he’s such a nice guy, you just have this desire to make him happy. Everybody was like, we have to figure this out.

 

It must help that everybody involved is such a huge Star Wars fan.

It’s funny, my crew and everybody else [on set] acts very professional while we’re working, and then you find out when you’re done that you’ve got these big Star Wars geeks with you. They’re like, “I didn’t want to say anything, but I was really needing out when we did this or that.” These are ultra huge fans, but if you weren’t a huge fan, you’d never make it through this because it’s the hardest work I’ve ever done. The level of passion and skill that you get from people is mind-blowing. It’s not even like playing with the All-Star team; it’s like being on the Olympic team. 

Ahsoka is streaming on Disney+

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Featured image: (L-R): Marrok (Paul Darnell) and Ahsoka Tano (Rosario Dawson) in Lucasfilm’s STAR WARS: AHSOKA, exclusively on Disney+. ©2023 Lucasfilm Ltd. & TM. All Rights Reserved.

Best of 2023: “Poor Things” Costume Designer Holly Waddington on Bringing Yorgos Langthimos’ Ecstatic Vision to Life

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

Before costume designer Holly Waddington got started on Poor Things, Yorgos Lanthimos gave her a visual reference: inflatable pants. The futuristic-seeming trousers made by London College of Fashion graduate Harikrishnan buck the movie’s late-19th-century setting, which encouraged Waddington to ignore the norms of time and space. No material would be too anachronistic, no fit too audacious. “I designed a whole series of things based on this idea of inflation and compression,” she says. “It was quite wild what I came up with in response to that.” 

Waddington’s eclectic clothing aligns perfectly with Poor Things‘ eclectic story. The Frankenstein riff, adapted from Alisdair Gray’s 1992 novel of the same name, follows Bella Baxer (Emma Stone) as she discovers language, sex, and societal expectations anew. Bella has been reanimated with a childlike brain thanks to a slightly mad Victorian scientist (Willem Dafoe) who sets out to observe her body and mind gradually synchronizing. Bella’s wardrobe is key to her growth. The movie introduces her in what often look like baby-doll dresses, but her fashion becomes more sophisticated as she explores the world and develops unadulterated ideas about how to live in it. 

After those inflatable pants jump-started Waddington’s initial brainstorm, her work zigged and zagged as the rest of the movie fell into place. Now an Oscar contender for the film, Waddington, whose past credits include Lady Macbeth and Hulu’s The Great, was able to blend a medley of sensibilities into one eye-popping palette. 

 

Did you know from the outset how hyper-saturated a lot of Poor Things‘ colors would be?

I had this whole journey of exploring these lung-shaped sleeves and plasticity — things that breathe and deflate. Then we had a series of meetings on Zoom, and it was really only at that point that Yorgos showed me what they’d done in the art department. I knew it was going to be rich and elaborate because I was already a big fan of [production designer] Shona Heath’s fashion work. But I was absolutely overwhelmed when I was given this bible, which was this massive, absolutely incredible 200-page document full of descriptions and references and beautiful concept work. Then, I really had something to work with. 

Emma Stone in POOR THINGS. Photo Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

How much of what you developed independent of that bible is what we see in the film?

A lot of it shifted because I was really encouraged by Yorgos to just go big. What we ended up with had a lot to do with texture — big textures in the clothing, things that felt organic, things that felt inflated. That manifested itself in the sleeves but not in the way that I had delivered it in this early rendition. 

What did it look like at first?

In the beginning, all the big sleeves were for the men. I had a lot of ideas to begin with. It was quite grotesque originally, but Yorgos zoomed in on these images I had of these 1890s sleeves. That was very much his choice — but for the women, not the men, and specifically for Bella. I think he made a very good choice there because those sleeves are incredibly empowering to wear. They really emphasize her otherness. They also transpose into these richly textured fabrics. They feel like a sea creature. 

 

She has an otherworldliness about her because of how her brain functions. As there are in children, there’s a bit of animalistic behavior going on. 

Yes. He was very clear about that.

What other kinds of references did that 200-page document contain? I’d assume Victorian, steampunk, and modish stuff from the ’60s.

No steampunk. I know a lot of people have described the work as being steampunk, but we were actually asked not to look at steampunk at all. I don’t think it’s an aesthetic Yorgos is particularly drawn to. But yes, definitely ’60s: André Courrèges, Pierre Cardin, Paco Rabanne, and designers who were doing that whole space-age thing. We referenced astronauts and going to the moon. I was lifting little bits from these designers, like the peep-toe boots that Bella Baxter wears. André Courrèges’ had zips up the back, so we merged that with the Victoria bootie. 

Emma Stone in POOR THINGS. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

Were there any paintings or films referenced in that book?

Paintings, yes. Loads of stuff. And I had masses of stuff, too. I had lots of Otto Dix paintings and German expressionist paintings. The colors often came from those pictures, as well as John Singer Sargent and other things. One of the references that Yorgos had come up with was [Austrian painter] Egon Schiele, this scratchy drawing of a Victorian girl with incredibly long black hair. I’ve heard that production designers were given lists of films, but I didn’t have that. 

Emma Stone in POOR THINGS. Photo by Yorgos Lanthimos, Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

Did you make everything from scratch, or did you find vintage and archival stuff?

For the principals, everything was made. There are pieces where I might have found something original, and then I looked at it and designed a version of it. An example would be the little frilly ivory thing that she wears underneath a few of the outfits. She wears it quite often. Nowadays, we’d call it a sleeveless blouse. The Victorian women called them modesty pieces. They filled the empty space around the neck and the chest because you’d only expose that part for evening wear in those days. They’re like bibs, and I quite like having that as a thing that she’d wear. As soon as you start going down that route of making everything, if you try to pepper in an original Victorian thing, it looks historical. It doesn’t sit well within the textures. 

Emma Stone in POOR THINGS. Photo by Atsushi Nishijima. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures.© 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

How much did you use period-appropriate fabrics? I assume you didn’t have to. 

I didn’t, but some of the fabrics are really period-appropriate. Some of the bodices and that blue dress at the beginning, and the wool jacket are made in traditional fabrics that you’d use if you were doing a period drama. You can never fully recreate these things, but it’s striving for what the Victorians would have used. But then there were many other fabrics that were not typical of the period. I used a lot of polyurethane and latex. A lot of the blouse fabrics are very light, contemporary silks that have been woven in interesting ways. Madame Swiney [the brothel owner played by Kathryn Hunter] wears this dressing gown that we had woven by a British company to look almost like varicose veins. And Baxter [played by Dafoe] wears a smoking jacket that is quilted and woven in a very modern way. I was mixing and matching. 

Ramy Youssef and Willem Dafoe in POOR THINGS. Photo by Yorgos Lanthimos. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures.© 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

Once Bella sets out on her adventures through Lisbon and Paris, the visual palette becomes very rich and hyper-saturated. The clothes are all these vibrant yellows and baby blues. Were those shades informed at all by the ornate sets or the overly lit skies? 

To a large degree. But if I’m truly honest, I think I’m choosing colors based ultimately on what is right for Bella. I wasn’t thinking, “Oh, I must dress her in yellow because this set has lots of yellow in it.” When she arrives in Lisbon, the world has only been black and white. We didn’t know that as creators. That was a very late decision, although we think Yorgos probably knew the whole time. In Lisbon, the whole world is like an explosion of color. I was very much wanting to align my costume choices so those yellows and golds felt like colors that belonged in that world. There’s a softness to them at that point. They’re still very childlike. With the black hair, her wearing a lot of yellow felt like a bold choice. Yellow and black are nature’s warning colors. Wasps and bees are black and yellow, and in the urban world, caution tape is yellow. She is not to be ignored, and I wanted her to be incredibly conspicuous. 

Emma Stone in POOR THINGS. Photo Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

What was the most decadent outfit to design?

The wedding dress, in terms of how much I was asking of my team. The cutters had to do a lot because it’s made of flimsy nothingness, really. It’s fabrics that are hard to work with because they’re so light. It’s a layer of organza followed by a layer of millinery netting, which is basically plastic, followed by a layer of cotton tulle, and then it has these bands of nylon that are wrapped in the flimsiest habutai silk. And then the sleeves had to be inflated like balloons with no visible structure inside them. They needed to look like clouds. It’s quite decadent in its labor, but it doesn’t necessarily look like the most decadent thing. 

Emma Stone in POOR THINGS. Photo by Yorgos Lanthimos, Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

Did anyone reference Frankenstein at all?

I started reading it when we were working on the film, but I quickly stopped. Have you read Frankenstein recently? It’s quite dense. We were not having conversations about Frankenstein at all, which is interesting when you look at what we came up with. The black hair is quite Gothic. Yorgos works more instinctively. 

Poor Things is in theaters on December 8.

Featured image: Emma Stone in POOR THINGS. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

Best of 2023: “Barbie” Casting Directors Allison Jones And Lucy Bevan on Populating Barbie Land

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

Since its release last month, Greta Gerwig’s Barbie has been hailed as a marvel of a balancing act between sincerity and hilarity. On top of the nuanced script, Barbieland is populated by a Barbie and Ken of every stripe, for every type, despite dozens of characters who share a mere two first names (plus the singular Allan). Stereotypical Barbie (Margot Robbie) and her dependent Ken (Ryan Gosling) were early commitments to the Warner Bros. project, but for co-casting directors Allison Jones (Curb Your Enthusiasm, Lady Bird) and Lucy Bevan (The Batman, Belfast), casting the wild melange of supporting doll roles meant combing through audition tapes of a who’s-who roster of actors thrilled at the chance to be immortalized as two of pop culture’s most iconic plastic figures.

aption: (L-r) MARGOT ROBBIE as Barbie, ALEXANDRA SHIPP as Barbie, MICHAEL CERA as Allan, ARIANA GREENBLATT as Sasha and AMERICA FERRERA as Gloria in Warner Bros. Pictures’ “BARBIE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

The actors needed to be funny, of course. But what set apart the audition tapes (more on that anachronism in a moment) was a pure and well-rounded earnestness. “The thing that Greta did always stress was that none of these people were sarcastic or winking at the camera. They were really Kens and Barbies,” Jones explained. In addition to being able to land a comedy beat, the actors needed to be sincere, truthful, and guileless. There were certain scenes we used to audition, and the fine line between the comedy and sincerity of those characters is a difficult balance,” Bevan said.

 

Because casting took place during Covid, Jones and Bevan reverted back to the use of taped auditions. “Huge actors went on tape with only seeing a few pages of dialogue,” Jones said, and since “everybody was Barbie in the script,” the pair wound up working in reverse, sending the tapes they liked on to Gerwig, who then identified particular talent for different Barbies and Kens. “She really made the characters for who she liked best in different auditions,” Jones said, designating Issa Rae as President Barbie, for example, and looking for Ken’s arch-rival Ken by seeking out the actor who would be best to “beach off” with Gosling’s character.

Caption: (L-r) EMMA MACKEY as Barbie, NCUTI GATWA as Ken, SIMU LIU as Ken, MARGOT ROBBIE as Barbie, RYAN GOSLING as Ken and KINGSLEY BEN-ADIR as Ken in Warner Bros. Pictures’ “BARBIE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures
Caption: ISSA RAE as Barbie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ “BARBIE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

Before it became a go-to quote in the Barbie fandom lexicon, rival Ken’s challenge — “I’ll beach you off any day, Ken” —  was one of the film’s audition lines. “Those scenes were fun to audition,” said Bevan. “Some of the Kens would take off their t-shirts, and we were like, no, no, you don’t need to take off your t-shirt. But Simu [Liu] just nailed that [line] in the film.” Allan required some demystifying. Jones used pictures of different Allan dolls owned by a Barbie collector friend, sending them out to agents to shed light on this previously unknown resident of Barbieland, now immortalized by Michael Cera. “Im so happy that in perpetuity now hes like an icon for being Allan,” Jones joked.

Caption: (L-r) ISSA RAE as Barbie, SCOTT EVANS as Ken, SIMU LIU as Ken, EMMA MACKEY as Barbie and NCUTI GATWA as Ken in Warner Bros. Pictures’ “BARBIE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

Since the film’s release, the internet has teemed with anecdotes of beloved comedic actors who wanted to be in Barbie but aren’t. It’s not because they aren’t funny enough. “It’s rather a boring reason, actually,” Bevan said. “On a movie like this, it was a hugely ambitious shoot and a complicated schedule, and you can have brilliant ideas, and people’s availability either does or doesn’t work.” Thanks to strict Covid rules in the UK, where most of the film was shot, and the scale of the project, even smaller roles required a three-month commitment. So, no gossip there.

Caption: (L-r) RYAN GOSLING, MARGOT ROBBIE and Director/Writer GRETA GERWIG on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ “BARBIE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Jaap Buitendijk

Even auditioning was a commitment, given Barbie‘s closely-guarded script. Bevan and Jones got to read it in its entirety, of course, but were limited to sending the actors’ sides (short script excerpts). “And now you have to send things through websites where you have to go through layers of passwords to get to the sides,” said Jones, of the effort actors went through to tape themselves. “So it was very secretive. I don’t think anybody knew quite how good it was,” she added. But just as Gerwig has become a name who can draw in movie-goers no matter the project, so too is the director for the actors themselves.“We weren’t allowed to send the script to anybody. So people did a lot of it on faith,” Jones said. “Everybody wanted to work with Greta, for good reason.”

 

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Featured image: Caption: (L-r) ANA CRUZ KAYNE as Barbie, SHARON ROONEY as Barbie, ALEXANDRA SHIPP as Barbie, MARGOT ROBBIE as Barbie, HARI NEF as Barbie and EMMA MACKEY as Barbie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ “BARBIE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy of Warner Bros. Pictures

Best of 2023: How the “Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse” Visual Team Created a Mesmerizing Multiverse

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

When Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse was released five years ago, its web of 2D and 3D animation became a box office hit and went on to win the Oscar for best animated feature. Incredibly, the return of Miles Morales (voiced by Shameik Moore) in Across the Spider-Verse has lived up to the hype, earning over $270 million worldwide in ticket sales (at the time of publication).

Visually, the sequel continues to marry artistic styles to make it feel as if a comic book has come to life, but this time around, there is more of it. A lot more. The story is bigger, more villainous, and a heck of a lot more Spider-y. Thankfully, the emotional arc doesn’t get lost in the multiverse – it’s only Miles who physically gets trapped and tries to sling and swing his way out. The new story brought in a fresh trio of directors (Joaquim Dos Santos, Kemp Powers, Justin K. Thompson) and behind-the-scenes creatives to reinvigorate the success of the original.

“They wanted something entirely fresh,” says character designer Kris Anka about the approach to the visual language. “The whole thinking was just because the animation of the first film was good doesn’t mean it can’t be better.” Anka was one of several character designers on Across the Spider-Verse and oversaw the creation of Miguel (voiced by Oscar Isaac), a Spider-Man-like superhero responsible for producing the multiverse travel technology that has Miles and Gwen (voiced by Hailee Steinfeld), along with new characters, Spider-Punk Hobie (voiced by Daniel Kaluuya) and Jessica Drew (voiced by Issa Rae) fighting a portal-jumping “villain of the week” named Spot (voiced by Jason Schwartzman).

Spider-Man 2099 (Oscar Isaac) and Miles Morales (Shameik Moore) in Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures Animation’s SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE.

Anka spent around 15 months in creating Miguel, adding new layers to the suit design and silhouette of the character. “Depending on how close you are to him, you see different layers of detail. At the macro level, it’s this simple red, black, and blue design, but as you get closer, there’s patterning on everything,” says Anka. The designer added layers of cultural specificity to Miguel’s suit. “I went on a deep dive into Mesoamerican patterns and tried to find ways to add culture to the suit.” In using textiles and familiar patterns, the design language was grounded in something tangible instead of arbitrarily conceived.

Jessica Drew (Issa Rae) and Miguel O’ Hara (Oscar Isaac) in Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures Animations’ SPIDER-MAN™: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE.

“Another aspect the directors had coming into the film was that Miguel was intentionally giving himself his powers. It wasn’t a bite or an accident, but he was actively doing this,” notes Anka. “Miguel’s entire persona is that he’s willfully doing all this, and he takes things seriously. He puts in the work compared to someone like Peter Parker [voiced by Jack Quaid], who has a naturalistic body and attitude. Miguel had to be the opposite, where everything is designed, and everything Miguel is doing is with intent. It was about trying to find a balance and a look that suggests Miguel takes this way too seriously.”

Miguel O’ Hara (Oscar Isaac) clashes with Vulture (Jorma Taccone) in Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures Animations’ SPIDER-MAN: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE.

In creating how Miguel moved on screen, head of character animation Alan Hawkins took inspiration from the character Stringer Bell (Idris Elba) from the hit television series The Wire. “He [Stringer] has this really interesting posture,” notes Hawks. “He looks like a tough guy, but there’s a slouch to him. It feels like he’s burdened by the weight of responsibility, but still seems like he’s aggressive. That nature inspired Miguel’s posture for most of the film.”

 

For Hobie, a very English (and cool) punk version of Spider-Man, Hawkins and the team used mixed frame rates in his design to make him feel chaotic and inconsistent. “The jacket he wears is on 4s, but his body is sometimes on 3s, and his guitar is even lower,” says Hawkins. The 4s and 3s Hawkins is referring to are the number of individual drawings for each second of animation based on a 24 frames per second timeline. Animating on 1’s means there are 24 individual drawings for each second of animation – the action is fast and fluid. Animating on 2’s has 12 drawings, 3’s there’s 8, and 4’s has 6 drawings. The lower the number (3, 4…), the slower the animation can look. Having Hobie’s body and jacket on different animations delivered a juxtaposed style that matched his rocker personality.

Hobie Brown/Spider-Punk, voiced by Daniel Kaluuya. Courtesy Sony Pictures.

Miles, now slightly older, saw a refresh to his look (based on models by Omar Smith) that combined new fabrics and reflective patterns to a black suit that has a red stripe down the side and different-sized Spider-Man logos on the front and back to differentiate him while in motion. “We wanted that immediate read for the audience,” notes Anka. In animating Miles, the team referenced the first film to pose his eye and get the angle of his cheeks right. Gwen saw subtle changes in her costume, adding different hints of pink to her suit.

 

However, the biggest hurdle was creating a near-infinite number of Spider-Man found in the so-called Spider Society – the central “lounge” (created by Miguel) for all the Spider-Man traveling through the multiverse. For the climatic sequence that has Miles being chased by every single society member, the animation team aimed to make it as interesting as possible, creating different looks to avoid repetition. The edge-of-your-seat scene is packed with action and well-placed humor that even sees a T-Rex version of Spider-Man chomp on screen. 

 

Though Across the Spider-Verse immerses you with a visual style where any frame could be used as a promotional poster, the guiding light for the creative team was the emotional beats of the story. “Animation is hard, and making a strong acting choice is different from a strong animation choice. Something the movie has always strived for was good acting and not good animation,” says Hawkins. “We ignored animation. It was the tool we were using, but we thought about how a real person acts who is feeling these complex layers of emotions. We wanted to inject that into each one of our characters.”

Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse is in theaters now.

 

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Featured image: A visual development image featuring Pavitr Prabhakar, aka Spider-Man India, Gwen Stacy and Miles Morales fighting The Spot in the city of Mumbattan on Earth-50101 – a kaleidoscopic hybrid of Mumbai and Manhattanfor Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures Animations’ SPIDER-MAN™: ACROSS THE SPIDER-VERSE.

 

 

Best of 2023: Christopher Nolan on Exploding Myths & Exposing Humanity in “Oppenheimer”

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. 

Robert Oppenheimer (Cillian Murphy) stares wide-eyed into the pond spread out in front of him; his last conversation with Albert Einstein (Tom Conti) on the potential catalytic effects of the atomic bomb has rendered him speechless. The music swells as the screen fades to black — the final scene of Christopher Nolan’s highly-anticipated Oppenheimer.

L to R: Tom Conti is Albert Einstein and Cillian Murphy is J. Robert Oppenheimer in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan.

A “singularly dramatic moment in history” — That’s how Nolan describes the motivation behind his desire in telling the story of Robert Oppenheimer. 

“This moment in which Oppenheimer [and] the key scientists in the Manhattan Project realized they could not completely eliminate the possibility of the chain reaction from the first atomic detonation, that first test that would destroy the world,” Nolan says. 

It was that specific moment in history, Oppenheimer’s reckoning with the possible world-ending consequences of his actions, that guided Nolan’s storytelling.

OPPENHEIMER, written and directed by Christopher Nolan

“His story is one of the most dramatic ever encounters, full of all kinds of twists, and suspense, things that you couldn’t possibly deal with in any kind of fictional context,” he explains. “So I really got hooked on the idea of trying to bring the audience into his experience…what he went through, make his decisions with him…try and arrive at a telling of his story that would invite understanding rather than judgment.”

Moral ambiguity is a theme Nolan frequently explores in his films, and Oppenheimer tackles that tenfold. But Nolan says he’s not here to tell us whether or not Robert Oppenheimer was a good person but rather to walk the audience through his decision-making.  

L to R: Robert Downey Jr is Lewis Strauss and Cillian Murphy is J. Robert Oppenheimer in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan.

“Humans, individual flaws, and the tension between his aspirations and his brilliant intellect telling him what he should be doing, and his inability to live up to those things, or his blindness to where some of these things might take him,” Nolan explains of his creative process. “That’s what creates interesting tension in the story.”

When stripped raw, Oppenheimer, at its core, is a story with an age-old message: If you play with fire, you’re going to get burned. And it tells us as much in the opening shot: billowing flames, hundreds of feet high, encompass the entirety of the screen, the words of the great story of Prometheus overlaying the fire. 

“We haven’t made a documentary; we’ve made a dramatic interpretation of his life,” Nolan says. “You’re looking at a character who was very careful. But everything he said about the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki—it was very precise, never apologized. He never acknowledged any guilt as relating to his part and what had happened. And yet, all of his actions from 1945 onwards are the actions of somebody truly suffering under an immense weight of shame and guilt.”

L to R: Florence Pugh is Jean Tatlock and Cillian Murphy is J. Robert Oppenheimer in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan.

After Hiroshima and the death of Jean Tatlock (Florence Pugh), there’s a scene in the film where Oppenheimer is slumped against the trunk of a tree, spiraling into an all-consuming panic. Kitty Oppenheimer (Emily Blunt) shakes her husband and says, “You don’t get to sin and then play the victim.” 

OPPENHEIMER, written and directed by Christopher Nolan

Nolan doesn’t confirm his personal feelings on Oppenheimer’s morality, and when asked if this scene is meant as an interpretation of Kitty’s feelings in that part of her life or an interpretation of the audience’s feelings toward the character, he says it’s all of the above.

“There are times when the writing wants to synchronize with or guide the audience’s particular expectations or interpretations,” he explains. “But I think what’s most successful is when it synchronizes sort of seamlessly with the feelings and emotions of the character in the moment.”

L to R: Emily Blunt (as Kitty Oppenheimer) with writer, director, and producer Christopher Nolan and Cillian Murphy (as J. Robert Oppenheimer) on the set of OPPENHEIMER.

Oppenheimer is immensely detailed — an attribute characteristic of Nolan’s filmmaking style, along with intricately woven storylines. No apple goes unnoticed, no close-up without intent. In Oppenheimer, it’s the hanging of bed sheets on the clothesline to dry that become one of the most profound metaphors in the film and serves as an almost unspoken language between Robert and Kitty. 

L to R: Cillian Murphy is J. Robert Oppenheimer and Emily Blunt is Kitty Oppenheimer in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan.

“I came across this fact in the book, this notion that because [Robert] couldn’t talk directly to anybody about the success or failure of the test, they came up with this code relating to change in his life,” Nolan explains. [Oppenheimer was based on the Pulitzer Prize-winning biography “American Prometheus: The Triumph and Tragedy of J. Robert Oppenheimer” by Kai Bird and Martin J. Sherwin.] “The sheets make up a bit. And I wanted to bring it together in a visual sense. For me, Kitty Oppenheimer is one of the most interesting characters in the film—one of the most interesting characters of Oppenheimer’s real-life story—their relationship was complex. So I love the idea of a coded message between them that only they can understand.”

Kitty Oppenheimer was a brilliant scientist in her own right, and Nolan says that during her time at Los Alamos (the creation town of the atomic bomb), she was “given very little to do,” so the sheets also symbolize her domestic experience. 

“It was very frustrating [for her] and caused a lot of problems,” he says. “So, for me, it was the coming together of all of those different things.”

L to R: Emily Blunt is Kitty Oppenheimer and Cillian Murphy is J. Robert Oppenheimer in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan.

During his 32-year marriage to Kitty, Robert Oppenheimer had a long history of affairs, a fact not left out of Nolan’s retelling. One of Oppenheimer’s most famous lines in history is when he quoted part of the Hindu scripture Bhagavad Gita: “Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds,” after witnessing the first detonation of the atomic bomb. In Nolan’s version, that line comes during a sex scene with Jean Tatlock (Florence Pugh). 

“I wanted to destabilize the context in which that quote normally appears,” he says. “Oppenheimer was very controlling of his image in his public statements. He was extremely self-conscious, very, very aware of the theatricality of his persona, and used that to further a lot of causes he espoused, the things he was worried about. And I wanted to present this in a new way that would cut through that.”

Like many of Nolan’s films, Oppenheimer shuffles between past and present — between the creation of the atomic bomb and the two security hearings beginning in 1954 about Oppenheimer’s affiliation with the Communist party. Beyond the use of black-and-white scenes to depict the timeline of the hearing, Nolan says the color shifts serve another purpose.

“You’re looking for a subtle way, a clearer way of shifting between the intensely subjective storytelling in the cover sequences,” Nolan explains. “And then the more objective view very often provided by Robert Downey Jr., as his character, Lewis Strauss.”

L to R: Robert Downey Jr is Lewis Strauss and Cillian Murphy is J. Robert Oppenheimer in OPPENHEIMER, written, produced, and directed by Christopher Nolan.

Oppenheimer is in theaters now.

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Featured image: L to R: Cillian Murphy (as J. Robert Oppenheimer) and writer, director, and producer Christopher Nolan on the set of OPPENHEIMER.

Best of 2023: How “The Color Purple” DP Dan Laustsen Made Visual Music

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. This interview with “The Color Purple” cinematographer Dan Laustsen more than qualifies, and, with the film opening wide in theaters today, it feels like a fitting Christmas Day post. Happy Holidays!

Danish cinematographer Dan Laustsen has been shooting movies for forty years, earning two Oscar nominations along the way for his contributions to Guillermo del Toro’s films The Shape of Water and Nightmare Alley. Director Blitz Bazawule, on the other hand, had never made a major Hollywood motion picture before helming The Color Purple (opening Dec. 25). But together, director and cinematographer melded their talents to resounding effect to create a sumptuous-looking movie musical based on Alice Walker’s 1971 novel.

“This is Blitz’s first big movie, but that doesn’t matter,” Laustsen says. “He has a very sharp eye, and I’m here to help make the movie the way the director wants. Blitz had the vision, so we tried to bring that to the screen.”

Previously adapted as a movie drama and a Broadway musical, this version of The Color Purple, starring Fantasia Barrino, Taraji P. Henson, and Colman Domingo, offers song, dance, and intensely dramatic sequences to tell the story of a family in Georgia suffering abuse and heartbreak before ultimately emerging triumphant through the redemptive power of love.

Laustsen, speaking from Los Angeles, explains how he used southern sunlight and a shrewd selection of camera gear to differentiate dialogue-driven drama from musical sequences.

 

We talked to you a few years ago about your work on The Shape of Water, which includes a fantasy musical sequence, but The Color Purple marks the first time you’ve shot a full-blown musical, right?

That’s correct. I’ve never done a musical before. I knew the “Color Purple” story, but what is the reality of the story, and what is the music? That was difficult for me to bring into my head. I had long conversations with Blitz where it became more and more about a realistic world splitting into this fantasy world. It should not just be something where our characters are walking down the street, and then they start to sing.

Cinematographer DAN LAUSTSEN on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo

So, how did you achieve these two distinct looks through your cinematography?

The drama world is very much [feeling like] the southern states of America with warm light coming through the windows. We went much more realistic camera-wise, lens-wise, and color-wise.

(L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo
(L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo

In the singing world, we went more wide angle and moved the camera a little bit more, which I think brought the joy of music onto the screen. Also, the color palette gets a little more rich in the singing world.

Caption: (L-r) TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery, FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and DANIELLE BROOKS as Sophia in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

What kind of camera rig did you use for The Color Purple?

We used an Alexa LF Mini and shot on Signature Prime lenses with a diffusion filter behind the lenses. I like the Signature Primes because they’re very clean, and very one-to-one. Then, you can put a diffusion [filter] behind the lens. We also used a fair amount of smoke.

(L-r) TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery and FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade.

The Color Purple opens with an overhead shot of a man on a horse playing a banjo. It’s quite striking. How did you guys decide on this image to introduce the story?

That was Blitz’s idea in the storyboards: he wanted to start with the top shot. It looks easy, but I’m very much into preparation. We rehearsed it so many times at the studio backlot with a guy on a horse that we knew exactly where to put the chassis and the base of the crane so we could keep the camera moving when we got to the location.

(L-r) Director BLITZ BAZAWULE and COLMAN DOMINGO on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade.

The warm Georgia sun brightens your unbroken opening shot that leads to the two little girls singing on a tree branch. Natural light also adds a joyous feeling a little later to a beach sequence where young Celie and her sister Nettie sing a duet. How did you capture that?

We filmed that in Savannah, Georgia. When you shoot on a beach, you can not bring a bunch of stuff in because the sand is so soft. We shot some of that on a Technocrane and also used a Steadicam, which gave us more flexibility to chase those girls as they were playing around. It was like a small ballet. We’d spent a lot of time on blocking and the scene those girls were very aware of the camera.

Caption: (L-r) PHYLICIA PEARL MPASI as Young Celie and HALLE BAILEY as Young Nettie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

Midway through the movie, Taraji P. Henson makes a grand entrance as blues singer Shug, the local girl-made-good. How did you treat her return to town in the fancy car?

You’re starting with this close-up and then going to a big wide shot in one take. That’s challenging because the close-up has to be a beauty shot, and then the wide shot has to feel atmospheric. We used 18K Aputure [lighting] and put steel blue lights. I’m a big fan of steel blue instead of blue blue for the night feeling. That’s something we did on Shape of Water and Nightmare Alley with Guillermo del Toro.

TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Lynsey Weatherspoon

In a later night-time sequence, Shug looks every inch the conquering hero when she arrives by boat at this riverside nightclub. You wanted to conjure this romantic, larger than life vibe?

It has to be like that. Shug is like the release, coming to take Celie away from this dark world she’s in, so when we see Shug in the car and then in the boat, she has to look like a fairy tale queen. The costumes were red and the contrast color was steel–blue from behind. I thought it was very beautiful.

TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

What exactly is steel blue versus just plain blue?

Steel blue is blue-green – – there’s more cyan. You see a lot of it right now, but the first time I used steel blue was when we did Mimic 100 years ago [laughing] with Guillermo del Toro. It’s a very beautiful color and works as a nice contrast between the skin tones.

COLMAN DOMINGO as Mister in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo.

You’ve been making movies since the eighties, whereas director Blitz has worked with Beyonce and directed an indie film, but he’s never made a Hollywood motion picture before. How did you find common ground?

The first time Blitz called, he asked me what movies I liked, and I said I Am Cuba.  It’s a black and white movie from 1962 filmed in Cuba by a Russian DP. Everything is shot very wide angle and there’s [a lot of] movement in the camera. Blitz said, “I love that movie too.” It had nothing to do with The Color Purple, but somehow we both felt that was how our movie should feel. It was interesting to start with something so far away and come back to where we are now with The Color Purple.

 

This movie has many characters, 15 songs and several decades worth narrative, yet it feels very cohesive. It sounds like you and Blitz collaborated well together.

Blitz is a very clever, very original director. He wants a movie where the light and the camera are moving to tell the story. It wasn’t like he was thinking yellow and I was thinking blue. We were synching right away, even when he was in Altana and I was in Copenhagen during Covid.

(L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO and TARAJI P. HENSON on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade.

In fact, you wound up filming The Color Purple during the Pandemic. That must have been stressful.

It was a super difficult three or four weeks. We had to shoot the Easter dinner scene five times because people were getting Covid all the time. We’d have to shut down, take the lights away, come back again. But when you see the scene, you don’t feel that because Blitz knows how to get the actors and everyone else aligned.

(L-r) Cinematographer DAN LAUSTSEN and Director BLITZ BAZAWULE on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo

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Featured image: A scene from Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

Best of 2023: “The Color Purple” Costume Designer Francine Jamison-Tanchuck’s Stunning Creations

*It’s our annual “Best of the Year” look back at some of our favorite interviews from the year. This interview works doubly well as “The Color Purple” is in theaters today. Merry Christmas!

There’s a famous line in Alice Walker’s 1982 novel The Color Purple that goes: “I think it pisses God off if you walk by the color purple in a field somewhere and don’t notice it.” It’s a message that even God can become annoyed when people overlook the wonderful things he creates. One such creation is what the character of Celie represents. “She’s a beautiful flower and a beautiful person that’s being trampled on,” costume designer Francine Jamison-Tanchuck tells The Credits. “Alice’s novel is about how none of us should feel unworthy or made to feel that way.”

(L-r) TARAJI P. HENSON and FANTASIA BARRINO with Director BLITZ BAZAWULE on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade

Director Blitz Bazawule (Black is King) reimagines the iconic story about self-realization and the unbreakable bond of sisterhood in the rural South that was once a Spielberg film (1985) and a Tony Award-winning musical. For its costumes, Jamison-Tanchuck curated an ensemble of handmade garments, vibrant jazz club attire, and traditional African garb spun from Kente cloth, details of which span multiple decades beginning in the early 1900s. Her previous work includes Coming to America, Glory, The Negotiator, Roman J. Israel, Esq. as well as the original The Color Purple, but this project is the apotheosis of her sensibilities, blending tactile textures, stirring colors, and bespoke silhouettes in illustrious style.

Caption: (L-r) PHYLICIA PEARL MPASI as Young Celie and HALLE BAILEY as Young Nettie in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

“Blitz and I were constantly speaking of the color and how we would like to start it for this journey,” she says. The designer began dressing a young Celie (Phylicia Pearl Mpasi) and her sister Nettie (Halle Bailey) in crisp white cotton dresses as a display of innocence. The color reappears when the two make their way back to each other as adults. Separating their lives is a controlling, curmudgeon of a man named Mister (Colman Domingo), who makes Celie (portrayed by Fantasia Barrino as an adult) his wife and pushes Nettie away from her.

COLMAN DOMINGO as Mister in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo.
(L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Ser Baffo

Period, tattered clothing in muted colors dot Celie’s marriage with Mister, but the subdued palette becomes more colorful through the eras, making an entrance when Shug Avery (Taraji P. Henson), a strong, unafraid singer, visits. It’s then the color red becomes an inspirational motif for Celie, first being introduced in an eye-popping dress Shug wears during her fiery Juke Joint performance.

(L-r) FANTASIA BARRINO and TARAJI P. HENSON on the set of Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo by Eli Ade.

Shug’s complete ensemble has a floor-length red coat with fur accents, red gloves, a feather headdress, and diamond-encrusted heels and is accessorized with a peacock hand fan. The dress itself has a fitted bodice drizzled in a delightful pattern of jewelry and three tiers of beads hanging along the bottom, reflecting a 1920s style. “I call it the cocoon coat because Shug is almost wrapped around in it like the cocoon of a butterfly. It’s another statement before we see the dress,” says Jamison-Tanchuck. “Then she takes it off, exploding with this outfit. To me, it was a special moment. That’s Shug in her glory.”

TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release.Photo by Ser Baffo

Researching the Roaring Twenties was key to the dazzling look. “I ended up seeing how entertainers dressed in the early and mid-20s, and some of them wore see-through outfits and were pretty risqué in that era. So it wasn’t a far leap for me to have the slit on Shug’s dress go so high up,” says Jamison-Tanchuck. “She was able to move freely as she was dancing, and the outfit was able to shine in the darkness.”

Celie begins to step out from her shell thanks to Shug, a growing bond that permeates throughout the film. “Shug is the spark of life for Celie,” says Jamison-Tanchuck. “When Shug gives her a dress to wear at the Juke Joint as her guest, that opens up a world of loving feelings and something in Celie that she was worth something to someone and to herself.” The color purple is introduced into her wardrobe when she’s finally had enough of Mister. When Celie becomes a shop owner, red returns as a nod to Shug’s influence during a musical number inside the store.

Caption: (L-r) TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery, FANTASIA BARRINO as Celie and DANIELLE BROOKS as Sophia in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Credit: Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

It’s here we see Mister, a man who took his insecurities out on someone else, turn a page, offering a few kind words, and purchasing a pair of flamboyant pants Celie cannot sell. “When Celie left, Mister realized that she was a really intricate part of his life,” says Jamison-Tanchuck. “When he visits her to be friends or to resume the relationship, he thinks he was doing Celie a good turn by buying the trousers she couldn’t sell. My idea was to make the trousers shorter in length and a little bit flooded. Blitz and I liked this shiny, scaly-looking fabric. It’s very reptilian.”

COLMAN DOMINGO as Mister in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

When Celie reunites with Nettie (portrayed by Ciara as an adult) in the glowing backdrop of a majestic tree surrounded by tables, the actors wore white and cream colors with nods to African culture. “Blitz was an amazing inspiration because he is Ghanaian, and he has a wonderful friend who is also from Ghana who I conferred with and had meetings about how this would work in this particular era,” she continues. “Of course, the Kente cloth has been around for thousands of years, so you cannot go past that. We used that in the wraps and kept it simple and natural and less color so we could show off the beautiful quilt Celie worked on all those decades.” Besides the cultural significance of the costume design, whites were chosen to recall when Celie and Nettie were young women playing on a beach. “It was a moment for Celie to be united again with her beloved sister. They are back, almost with that pure love that they had, and it never ended,” says Jamison-Tanchuck.

A scene from Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

The Color Purple arrives in theaters on December 25. 

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Featured image: TARAJI P. HENSON as Shug Avery in Warner Bros. Pictures’ bold new take on a classic, “THE COLOR PURPLE,” a Warner Bros. Pictures release. Photo Courtesy Warner Bros. Pictures

 

“All of Us Strangers” Cinematographer Jamie Ramsay on Lighting a Lonely Life

Based on Taichi Yamada’s 1987 novel Strangers, writer and director Andrew Haigh’s All of Us Strangers takes place between a barren tower block in London, where Adam (Andrew Scott) leads a solitary existence, and his childhood home in the suburbs, where he frequently visits his parents, who died thirty years earlier. In London, Adam spends his days alone, until his neighbor Harry (Paul Mescal) appears outside his door, proffering whiskey. The closer the two men get, the more preoccupied Adam becomes with his parents (Claire Foy and Jamie Bell), with Harry’s initial appearance seeming to trigger Adam’s first visit back to his old house. Mum and Dad, frozen in both style and attitude from approximately the early 1990s, are thrilled to see their son again and to learn he’s become a writer. Subsequent visits, as they discover that he is gay, admit their own parenting faults, and react in confusion as Adam begs them not to go out on the night of the car crash that took their lives, are much tougher.

Whether these encounters take place in Adam’s mind or represent an earth-spirit crossover realm is open to interpretation.“You know what’s funny?” asked Jamie Ramsay, the film’s cinematographer, “so many people have come up to me and asked me about this. There are so many little conspiracy theories — is Adam also stuck in the middle world? Did Harry ever exist? And that’s the beauty of it.” Having left behind Australia for London, Ramsay leaned into his own experience of loneliness for inspiration — I thought, whats a more beautiful way for me to exorcise this grief than to channel it through making this movie?” — and then worked to visually separate Adam’s London present and his suburban past using different technical tools.

Director Andrew Haigh and cinematographer Jamie Ramsay on the set of ALL OF US STRANGERS. Photo by Chris Harris. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

Ramsay lit Adam’s childhood home and the suburbs with incandescent lighting and neon tubing that may not have been intentionally from the late 1980s and early 1990s, but given the film’s shooting schedule during a post-Covid flurry of industry activity, we really had to struggle to put our package together. To be honest with you, I think our lighting package actually was vintage, but still beautiful,” he said. To set Adam’s contemporary life apart from his journeys back into childhood settings, the cinematographer shot against an LED wall with a digital backdrop and matched the natural shifting of exposure outside Adam’s apartment. The effect is realistic and a bit cold and feels a world away from the light, dreamy aesthetic at home with Mum and Dad.

Andrew Scott in ALL OF US STRANGERS. Photo by Chris Harris. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.
Jamie Bell and Claire Foy in ALL OF US STRANGERS. Photo by Chris Harris. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

“Any sort of decisions that we decided to take were led primarily by our director Andrews interest in keeping everything as quiet as possible,” Ramsay said, and so when we return to Adam’s past, he simply arrives, stepping into the halcyon lighting of his parents’ kitchen. “For me, having that ethereal presence of a spirit that washes through the windows and wraps around the characters was just a way to put this home in this idyllic position, which is, I think, how we often position memory and good moments in our lives,” Ramsay said.

Claire Foy and Andrew Scott in ALL OF US STRANGERS. Photo Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

Quiet in dialogue as well as in spirit, the cinematographer felt at ease responding to whole scenes devoid of chatter, using linear, more guarded camera movement in Adam’s contemporary life, which becomes more organic and reactive as the walls between his past and present start to break down. “When its layered and nuanced like this, its much easier for me to develop a sense of honesty with how the camera responds and how the scene feels and looks,” Ramsay said. The cinematographer stays tightly focused on the characters, keeping the audience close to Adam and Harry as their relationship deepens and as Adam reestablishes a family dynamic with his parents, winding up nestled between them in bed.

Jamie Bell, Andrew Scott and Claire Foy in ALL OF US STRANGERS. Photo Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

“The obvious thing to do is to frame characters in big wides and leave them really small in the frame. But if I thought about it logically, loneliness is experienced from the inside out,” said Ramsay, who instead conveys the isolated nature of Adam’s life by staying close. The effect keeps the audience in Adam’s bubble, seeing only what he sees. And having seen no one, save for Harry and the ambiguous presence of Mum and Dad, you come away with the sense that for Adam, there isn’t anybody else out there.

Paul Mescal and Andrew Scott in ALL OF US STRANGERS. Photo by Chris Harris. Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 20th Century Studios All Rights Reserved.

All Us Strangers is in select theaters now.

Featured image: Paul Mescal and Andrew Scott in ALL OF US STRANGERS. Photo Courtesy of Searchlight Pictures. © 2023 Searchlight Pictures All Rights Reserved.

 

“Dr. Death” Showrunner, Executive Producer & Stars on Season 2

In the second season of the celebrated Peacock series Dr Death, the show takes on another doctor featured on the hit Wondery true crime podcast, “Miracle Man,” Paolo Macchiarini. The story is of the world-renowned surgeon (played here by Edgar Ramirez) celebrated for his groundbreaking work in regenerative medicine and organ transplantation, but ultimately disgraced by his misconduct, dangerous practices, and web of deceit.  

His rise and fall are, in part, influenced by the romantic relationship Macchiarini built with reporter Benita Alexander (Mandy Moore), who first covered and brought his story to a wider audience, then broke a cardinal rule in journalism by becoming intimate with her source. The doctor’s duplicity extended beyond his practice and medical research to lies in his relationship with Benita. She eventually connected with whistleblowers inside the medical community to stop Macchiarini and his surgeries, which were leading to fatalities across the world. 

For the second season of Dr. Death, writer and producer Ashley Michel Hoban took over from first season showrunner Patrick Macmanus, who serves as executive producer on season two. The Credits spoke to Hoban and Patrick Mcmanus, as well as three of the series stars, Gustaf Hammarsten, Ashley Madekwe, and Luke Kirby, who play doctors Anders Svensson, Ana Lakshmi, and Nathan Gamelli on the show. Their three characters are an amalgamation of the many doctors who worked with Macchiarini but came to realize his research and medical practice were not only flawed, but dangerous. 

 

Ashley Michel, you listened to the Wondery podcast a number of times to imbue this season with the spirit of the true story. What struck you as being essential to connecting audiences to the story we see?

Ashley Michel Hoban: Yesim’s story, I think, for most people, and certainly for me, hit on a different level. It was Yesim Cetir, the Turkish girl who had tracheal surgery and went through so much. The more I listened to her story, the more I think I got a sense of what the other doctors were going through around her, witnessing her journey, and trying to make sense of how it happened while it was happening. That became incredibly important, particularly to the whistleblower story, particularly to Luke Kirby’s character. In the story, these doctors are an amalgamation of different people because there are so many doctors that helped take down Paolo Macchiarini that we had to combine them into multiple characters, but the way that patient specifically affected him and his character became a real tentpole for the whole season.

Gustaf, what was your experience working with Ashley Michel as showrunner? 

Gustaf Hammarsten: She was fantastic because we could collaborate, work with her, and talk to her at any time during the process. She was always inviting us to offer our take on what we were doing, and asking if we had any input, then would absorb this information and sometimes add an element to the story, which was wonderful.

DR. DEATH — “Like Magic” Episode 201 — Pictured: (l-r) Gustaf Hammarsten as Dr. Svensson, Edgar Ramírez as Dr. Paolo Macchiarini — (Photo by: Scott McDermott/PEACOCK)

Ashley, there’s a powerful chemistry between the three characters that eventually band together as whistleblowers. Was that also the case with your three actors? 

Ashley Madekwe: Yes! I had an instant camaraderie with Gustaf and Luke, but it felt like the scenes were written that way. Also, on one of our first days, we were all waiting while they were shooting a big crowd scene, and we started talking, and we started talking at a deeper level immediately, getting to the meat of the conversation and putting the world to rights.  

DR. DEATH — “Tarantela Telaraña” Episode 204 — Pictured: (l-r) Ashley Madekwe as Dr. Ana Lasbrey, Luke Kirby as Dr. Nathan Gamelli, Edgar Ramírez as Dr. Paolo Macchiarini, Alisha Erözer as Yesim Cetir — (Photo by: Scott McDermott/PEACOCK)

Ashley Michel, this season has some pretty intense surgery scenes. 

Ashley Michel Hoban: We had lots of practice in season one doing surgeries. I do think we get a lot more graphic this season. We have way more blood and way more rats. We did want it to feel very real, so we had an incredible special effects makeup team and a really wonderful visual effects team that helped get us over the finish line for those surgical scenes. We also had this awesome surgical technical advisor who was always on set and has been a part of it since season one. 

Gustaf, Ashley, and Luke, all three of you observed surgeries as part of preparing for your roles. How did that impact your performances? 

Ashley Madekwe: I think they were really important, so when we were doing our surgery scenes, we could be in the moment. There’s an element of being slightly removed from it because when you’re there and the patient is on the table, they are completely draped, so the only thing that’s exposed is the area that’s going to be operated on. It’s almost like you’re not looking at a person. 

Luke Kirby: It was remarkable how innocuous it felt. I had to keep reminding myself that there was a patient there. I know a surgeon in those moments really does have to zone in on the mechanics of the body, not the preciousness and precariousness of life. It really put me in touch with the tightrope that a surgeon has to walk in those rooms. 

Ashley Madekwe: Surgery is a real mix between the aggressive and the delicate. 

Ashley Michel, can you talk about the arc the whistleblowers have in terms of shifting from working with Dr. Macchiarini to calling him to account and the importance of this to the second season?  

Ashley Michel Hoban: One of the themes we were trying to hit this season is the idea of one person’s voice having a ripple effect around the world bigger than they could have imagined. The way Benita and the whistleblowers come together personifies that because without each other, their stories couldn’t have gotten where they needed to go. Without Benita’s article, and without the report the whistleblowers turned in, Paulo would not have been held accountable for his actions. So that was important to show even though these people are standing up against one of the most powerful medical institutions in the world, their individual voices have this huge effect.

Luke Kirby: It feels nice to address regret. I think a lot of people let themselves feel guilty about something for the rest of their lives, but actually, being in the space where you address a regret with someone, I think, is a better practice.  There’s a difference between living with guilt, where you never have to really do anything, and you can just feel guilty for the rest of your life, versus actually identifying it as a regret, then you can learn from it and address it, stand on your own two feet, say you made a mistake, and try to fix it. That’s a good human path, I think.

Ashley Madekwe: All three of these characters have regrets and are guilty of making mistakes and doing the wrong thing. What’s really nice is all three go on this journey and get to the right place, the righteous place eventually, at the cost of their own careers.

Gustaf Hammarsten: And they need each other to do that because each of us, at a certain point, feels guilty and knows it’s wrong, but we motivate and support each other to take action and make a difference, even at the risk of our careers. These characters find strength together for something very hard to do alone. I have so much respect for the whistleblowers who have to do all it alone. 

DR. DEATH — “Compassionate Uses” Episode 207 — Pictured: (l-r) Gustaf Hammarsten as Dr. Svensson, Luke Kirby as Dr. Nathan Gamelli, Ashley Madekwe as Dr. Ana Lasbrey — (Photo by: Barbara Nitke/PEACOCK)

Patrick, Littleton Road Philanthropy, which is an extension of your production company, as well as other resources, are mentioned before the end credits on the show.  Tell us about that and what your hopes are around having a greater impact in the community. 

Patrick Mcmanus: I put all of the credit for Littleton Road Philanthropy at the doorstep of the women who run it, my wife, Ioli Filmeridis, as well as my sister Kelly Mcmanus Funke, who is the president of the company. All I said to them was, “I think we should do more. I don’t think it should just be about telling stories.” My wife has a background in nonprofit development, and she and Kelly ran with it. What we are attempting to do with our social action campaigns is “edutainment.” We recognize the fact that we’re entertaining first. The reason we have these jobs is to bring stories to life, but we genuinely believe there’s a larger reason for doing these. Season one was about patient safety. For season two, the theme is “Safe Two,” and we call it that because this new story talks not just about the necessity of protecting patients but also about the necessity of protecting people who want to speak up against the system. 

 

Dr Death season two is now streaming on Peacock

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Featured image: DR. DEATH — “Worth The Risk” Episode 202 — Pictured: Edgar Ramírez as Dr. Paolo Macchiarini — (Photo by: Peacock)

 

 

 

“Maestro” Editor Michelle Tesoro on Orchestrating the Epic Bernstein Love Story

To tell the story of composer Leonard Bernstein’s (Bradley Cooper) courtship with Costa Rican-American actress Felicia Montealegre Cohn Bernstein (Carey Mulligan), Cooper, who also directed, and his editor, Michelle Tesoro (The Queen’s Gambit, When They See Us) varied the technical aesthetic throughout Maestro. As the couple first gets to know each other at a party, followed by wooing one another on stage at an empty theater, the early days of their unusual love affair are told through a tight aspect ratio and in black and white. Later in Lenny’s life, the film opens up to a cinematic aspect ratio and a more contemporary approach to color.

Maestro. (L to R) Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre and Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.
Maestro. (L to R) Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer) and Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre
in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

“Bradley had this idea from the very beginning to compliment the way you might come across real photos and footage of them at different points in their lives,” Tesoro said of the film’s liberal use of different visual techniques. “The same with the aspect ratios: they reflect the time period which they represent.” As the pair’s relationship takes off within the confines of New York parties, theaters, and flirting at the park, Tesoro explained that the 1:33 aspect ratio also worked for Cooper thanks to “the dynamics between the foreground and background,” which best represented the story at that time — Lenny and Felicia weave their lives together within a midcentury New York creative existence.

Maestro. (L to R) Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre and Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.
Maestro. (L to R) Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) and Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Even though Bernstein was either gay or bisexual — Maestro avoids labeling him as either while not shying away from depicting his many other love affairs — his early romance with Felicia, as both their careers take off, feels completely charmed. “One of my favorite transitions that Bradley and I created in editing is the one where a young Felicia is receiving applause, and we cut mid-bow to Lenny receiving an even bigger applause at Carnegie Hall,” she said. The editing choice heightens the exhilaration of their love and success while foreshadowing what’s to come — Felicia’s relegation to a role mainly as wife and mother and Bernstein’s distraction from his family by his extraordinary professional accomplishment.

Maestro. (L to R) Soloists Isabel Leonard and Rosa Feola with Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer/Producer) in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Even though the story highlights Bernstein’s artistic evolution over half a century, Maestro is not intended as a biopic. Instead, the composer’s career progress is conveyed by hearing it, through his Broadway tunes and classical conduction and his time at home, working things out on a piano. But the film’s emphasis on music didn’t affect Tesoro’s process any more than it usually would. “Editing itself is a musical aesthetic, telling cinematic stories with rhythm,” she said. “For this film, it went hand-in-hand.” When Bernstein reaches particular musical pinnacles, like conducting a heart-stopping opera in a cathedral, the editor lets us join the audience onscreen and simply watch the conductor in one of his most glorious professional moments. “It’s hard to cut away when the story is happening all in the frame — in the wonderful performances, in the camera work, in the production design and costumes. Why cut to something else when the magic is happening right in front of you?” she asked.

 

For Cooper and Tesoro, what mattered most was the dynamic between the Bernsteins. The couple grows apart, conveyed most acutely at Thanksgiving in Manhattan while the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade floats past their window, an absurd backdrop to their strained argument, and they come back together, most painfully when Felicia is diagnosed with cancer. Bernstein works through it all, but on-screen, that comes second. “There is only one story we wanted to tell, that is the love story of Lenny and Felicia,” Tesoro said.

 

Maestro is playing in select theaters and streaming on Netflix now.

Featured image: Maestro. (L to R) Bradley Cooper as Leonard Bernstein (Director/Writer) and Carey Mulligan as Felicia Montealegre in Maestro. Cr. Jason McDonald/Netflix © 2023.

Searching for That Ferocious “Ferrari” Sound With Supervising Sound Editor Tony Lamberti

How eager was Tony Lamberti to work on Michael Mann’s latest feature? Let’s just say the director had Lamberti, a Formula 1 enthusiast, at Ferrari.

The Oscar-nominated (Inglourious Basterds), Emmy-winning (John Adams) audio engineer got his first peek at the feature about Enzo Ferrari and his iconic racing legacy back in 2015. Overseeing a mix update on Mann’s crime thriller Blackhat, Lamberti encountered Mann’s dream project during a visit to the director’s office.

“He had all the materials out for Ferrari,” remembers Lamberti during a recent Zoom conversation. “He had tons of research. He showed me some of the build sheets and said, ‘I’m going to have to build these cars from scratch because I need them for the rigors of production. I need to put cameras on them and drive them hard.’”

Photo from the set of FERRARI. Photo Credit: Eros Hoagland

Lamberti knew a key element of Mann’s vision would be the roar of the engines during the racing sequences. And to the expert ear, that meant recreating sounds from over 60 years ago.

Set during the summer of 1957, Ferrari sees the renowned carmaker, played by Adam Driver, at a tumultuous moment in his life. His company is on a crash course with bankruptcy. The death of his son Dino has driven a wedge between Ferrari and his wife Laura (Penélope Cruz), who is also his business partner. Adding to their tension is Enzo’s wartime romance with Lina (Shailene Woodley). They had a son, and Ferrari now divides his time between his two families.

 

Working with Lamberti were some of the best audio experts in the business. Bernard Weiser (Ted Lasso, True Detective) shared sound editorial duties with Lamberti. Oscar-winner Lee Orloff (Terminator 2: Judgment Day) served as sound mixer. Lamberti and Andy Nelson, whose 24 Academy Award nominations include wins for Les Misérables and Saving Private Ryan, handled the re-recording mixes.

“These are all longtime Michael collaborators,” continues Lamberti. “Once he finds people that get his methodology and aesthetics, he likes to stick with them. Andy gave me some great advice leading up to Blackhatand I’ve carried that through all my work with Michael. Lee has frequently collaborated with Mann. Bernard was also on Blackhat. It just made sense to put this team together, and it worked out fantastic.”

Adam Driver as Enzo Ferrari in crowd Photo Credit: Eros Hoagland.

Previous productions had taught Lamberti that Mann would want a rudimentary sound mix as the film was being cut. Weiser and Orloff concentrated on dialogue recording. Lamberti and Nelson assembled the temp dubs. Lamberti estimates four of these mixes were generated during the process.

As valuable as these initial mixes were, they were missing one crucial sound — the actual cars. The Ferraris and Maseratis (Ferrari’s chief competitor) replicated for filming were fitted with 4-cylinder turbo motors. These compact engines were great for withstanding multiple takes and long shoot days but lacked the iconic tones of the originals. 

“It was a rude and crude sound edit,” continues Lamberti. “We made the most of the production sound for screening purposes, knowing that we’d be doing recording sessions with the real cars later.”

Racing through the streets in “Ferrari.” Photo Credit: Eros Hoagland.

Lamberti, together with Mann and stunt coordinator Robert Nagle, mapped out a frame-by-frame strategy for the cars. Every upshift and downshift was noted. No corner acceleration or deceleration was overlooked. With cues in hand, Lamberti set about creating a sound that would not only awe audiences but also wow racing aficionados. Topping the latter was Mann, an experienced racer himself.

“Michael is dedicated to authenticity,” says Lamberti. “That was the edict from a sound perspective. We wanted racing drivers watching these scenes to believe that this actually happened in 1957.”

 

To do so, Lamberti had to hunt down two classic Ferraris and a Maserati that could be raced and recorded. Little did he realize the search would take him around the world and ultimately lead to a member of one of rock’s most famous bands.

Lamberti and Ferrari co-producer Maggie Chieffo started putting out feelers. Locating the cars turned out to be the easy part. Persuading the owners to allow them to be mic’d up and run at high speeds was another matter entirely.

“American collectors and museums were helpful, but these cars can be worth tens of millions of dollars,” explains Lamberti. “There are a lot of considerations. The insurance people get concerned. Nobody wants these pieces of art damaged.”

A period correct, 1957 two-seater V12 Ferrari was located in Los Angeles. Its owner, a successful real estate investor, showed interest, so Mann screened the rough cut for him to seal the deal. It did just the opposite. The investor thought the 4-cylinder engines sounded great and couldn’t understand the need to put his car — worth an estimated $20 million — at risk. 

Adam Driver is Enzo Ferrari. Photo Credit: Lorenzo Sisti.

The quest for a Ferrari 801 also hit a dead end. Rarer than a unicorn, the only one known to be in existence is in the Ferrari Museum in Maranello, Italy. Having just finished a costly renovation on it, the museum wanted it to stay put.

The Revs Institute in Naples, Florida, had a 1955 Ferrari-Lancia D50 in its collection. The predecessor to the Ferrari 801, it plays a feature role in the French Grand Prix scene depicted in the movie. Revs agreed to Lamberti’s recording request but then came the snag. When the museum curator asked more about the car in the film, he realized the car in its collection was two years older. The engine would sound noticeably different. 

Ferrari’s savior turned out to be musician Nick Mason. A founding member of Pink Floyd, Mason had used his success as its drummer to finance his true passion — motor racing. In addition to competing in such races as Le Mans, Mason owns some of the world’s most classic autos. “The guy is legendary in the car collecting world. He has like a stable of 50 cars,” says Lamberti. “Holly Mason, his daughter, runs the collection for him.”

The Masons had actually been one of Lamberti’s first calls. “We knew we had to record the Maserati 250 F1 from Nick Mason’s collection because it’s the actual car in the movie,” says the sound designer.

Adam Driver as Enzo Ferrari yellow Photo Credit: Lorenzo Sisti.

The Masons agreed, and it turned out to be the start of a beautiful relationship. After the Revs Institute lead didn’t pan out, its curator suggested Lamberti reach out to prominent English businessman Anthony Bamford. Another classic car collector, he had a D50A in his collection. As luck would have it, Holly was a friend and was able to arrange with Bamford to have it available for a recording session.

Holly then got Lamberti over the finish line when the search for a V12 Ferrari kept hitting speed bumps. A deeper dive into the Mason collection uncovered a 1953 Ferrari 250 Mille Miglia PF V12 Coupe. Turns out, it had raced in the 1953 Mille Miglia, Ferrari’s climatic race. How could Lamberti resist? “Holly Mason was really fantastic.  She ended up being Ferrari’s hero,” he says.

The field recordings were done by sound engineer Chris Jojo at a private track in the UK. “We had a couple of mics in the engine bay, one near the intakes, one near the headers,” explains Lamberti. “We had mics in the cockpit. We had two sets of mics on the tailpipes to record in stereo. That’s where the magic happens.”

And happen it did.

“We’d been listening to these little 4-cylinders for months and months,” remembers Lamberti. “The first time Michael started hearing the real engines in the mix, he was like, ‘Oh my God, it sounds so glorious, it completely changes my perspective.’” 

Patrick Dempsey as Piero Taruffi Photo Credit: Lorenzo Sisti.

 

Ferrari is in theaters on December 25.

Featured image: Adam Driver as Enzo Ferrari. Photo Credit Lorenzo Sisti